Dinner with Dan
Every Sunday, Wroe Avenue meets to discuss the week in Dayton, Ohio. Our host, retired Dayton Municipal Court Judge Dan Gehres regales listeners with hot takes from his life while having a delicious dinner.
Dinner with Dan
An Arabian Night
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The dinner table is set for a great discussion about 1962 Best Picture Lawrence of Arabia. The Gang welcomes Dan's best friend to the table, Steve Schulkers who speaks eloquently about his favorite film of all time. As a photographer, Steve sees more than many of us see in this great desert production.
We enjoyed a new restaurant, A Taste of Jerusalem, with kabobs and falafel. And Steve brought some delicious pies. So grab a fork and enjoy the great conversation about this film.
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Steve you got notes there.
SPEAKER_06Excellent.
SPEAKER_11We're on.
SPEAKER_06You sure?
SPEAKER_04I'm sure.
SPEAKER_01Okay, I would like to welcome everyone, all our loyal listeners uh around the world to this, the I think 45th.
SPEAKER_11It might be.
SPEAKER_01I think it's the 45th episode of Dinner with Dan. I'm Dan Gerrish, your host tonight. We are recording on Sunday, August 16th, 2026 from Dayton's historic Five Oaks neighborhood.
SPEAKER_07At the table tonight, we have regulars Man Whaley, Paul Duncan Robinson, Kate Evans, my son and roommate Eddie. And tonight, Sam Bonn, the wine, I didn't say snub, wine.
SPEAKER_01Official Simolier, I've just is not with us tonight. I'm giving him an excused absence to go to the what do they call it?
SPEAKER_07Great Western.
SPEAKER_10I think it's a new Cincinnati Open.
SPEAKER_07No, Cincinnati Open. As you've heard many times when Sam talks about what he's done this past week, it always involves playing tennis. So he scored some uh very good tennis tickets for the Cincinnati Open, so he's down there watching tennis. So good luck, Sam. We hope you're having a good time. So he does have an excused absence. And then tonight, our special guest tonight is a guy named Steve Stolker. He's been a true friend since 1987 when he took my campaign photos of Virginia, Lily, Frank, and I when I first ran for judge. Uh Steve was well known for taking just about every uh candidate, Democratic candidate that ran for whatever picture. Uh believe it or not, he did go through the Dayton Police Academy, which uh, man, it's scary when you think about it. But most people know him uh during the time he served as uh bailiff to judges Robert Nolan and V. Michael Brigner in uh uh DR court. Uh he then eventually uh left being a bailiff and worked for the DR court. And then finally, he uh his last uh uh tour of duty in the legal profession was as a deputy uh clerk of courts for the Date Municipal Court, where if you got busted on the weekend, uh he was the guy at the jail. Oh, is that right? So you had to give the the money to uh Steve Schulkers to get out of jail.
SPEAKER_10So I want to So he saw it all.
SPEAKER_07He saw it all. Yes. So I definitely wanted to uh uh give a great shout out to Steve. Uh some of you may remember uh in early May there wa uh there was a great Tom Archdeacon article in the paper about Steve when he took his stepladder and hung over the uh rail and almost killed Secretariat in the first leg of the uh triple crown. So that's the Steve we're talking about.
SPEAKER_03Sam's favorite picture. Yeah, that's a great picture.
SPEAKER_09I'm getting some printed up. I'll give it one.
SPEAKER_07I think Archdeacon refers to him as Big Steve.
SPEAKER_09So Big Steve and Big Red.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, Big Steve and Big Red, that was it, yeah. Uh so anyhow, welcome to the podcast. Thank you. Okay, uh so as we progress on, what's for dinner tonight?
SPEAKER_03Well, it's keeping in the theme of Laurence of Arabia, and I was gonna go to Cedar Land, but Cedar Land was close. So we have to try somewhere new. It's in Fairborn, right? Paul Paul might have picked it up. A taste of Jerusalem is where we got this food. Yeah. So we're having um Mediterranean, Middle Eastern food, um, lamb kebabs, chicken kebabs, rice, waffle, yeah, uh hummus, pita, sasaki, grape leaves. That's what we're having tonight. And Steve brought these amazing pies. Tell us where the pies came from.
SPEAKER_09I am fruit farms and lemon and all been around for 40 to 50 years, and just have tremendous pies.
SPEAKER_03This was the caramel apple pie. Caramel apple and then the cherry pie, which is tart, right?
SPEAKER_09You bet.
SPEAKER_03Alright, uh so we'll have that for dessert.
SPEAKER_09Um cheers to everybody. Cheers. Cheers, Steve. Welcome to the channel. Thanks for being here, Steve.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and we have some wine, but Sam's not here to tell us about it.
SPEAKER_10I just pulled it from my we have a red and a white. Yes.
SPEAKER_07Well, after dissing my wine some weeks ago, I forget what we were doing.
SPEAKER_06It was a Friday night when we did a broadcast on a Friday night, and my wine wasn't up to the standards of Sam Braun. I did hire him to go to Arrowine and curate me a collection of French wine. There you go. Which now is out in my kitchen awaiting the day Sam Braun comes down and says, Let me see what kind of wine Dan has. There you go.
SPEAKER_11Perfect. I like it.
SPEAKER_06Okay. So that's what we've had, that's what we're having for dinner, because you know, we're gonna be doing Lawrence of Arabia. So, Dan, what have you done this past two weeks? Because we've been off for two weeks.
SPEAKER_03Um, I can't remember the prior week, but where was I down in town? Do you remember? Hold on. Where'd you go? Oh, I went to Michigan. Yes, that's right. Um so um, let's see. This uh last week, Sam and I went to Traverse City, Michigan on Friday and Saturday. On Saturday. Well, Friday we went to Saginaw. And then Saturday we went to Traverse City. And um uh, you know, I'm uh good friends with Peter Jedge and his husband Chastin, and their twins were having their five-year-old birthday party, and so we went to that birthday party. Um I still like don't really care for five-year-olds what them are. Um a lot of them. One one one off, so fine, but a lot of them. A lot of the room, it's really tough.
SPEAKER_05Good to reaffirm that, right?
SPEAKER_03Yes, so um, but it was good to see Pete and Chaston, and then we went over to Kalamazoo College, where Sam graduated as a French major. French polysty double major. And so we went there on Sunday. Um, so just basically drove in the car just again, got all the work done. It was great. And then um this week I went to Cleveland with Sharon Newhart. And Sharon and I I had a great time with Sharon. Um, we stayed with our friend Lana Morensky, who lives in Shaker Heights, and Lana and uh Cindy Dempsey would like ride or die for me in the government, and they're like all on board on Amy. You know, they you know, Lana started now in the States, so she was one of the national leaders for now. She's still moving part for the ERA, just a great feminist um and activist, and so we had dinner with them. I saw my friend Christian Rindane, who is the county exec, and yeah, I had dinner with him. I saw Mayor Bibb, uh, I saw some other folks there. I saw Jeff Reffenbach. So, you know, I hadn't been to Cleveland in over a year, so really wanted to go and see folks and hadn't done that in a while. Um, but Sharon, you know, I drove because she's a worse driver than me, which you know.
SPEAKER_08You're a bad driver. You're more than a bad driver, you're a terrible, very scary driver.
SPEAKER_03So let's see, Sharon. I drove Sharon. And you know, I didn't really realize, you know, Sharon went uh Northwest, she's from Dayton. Her dad was a police officer, grew up in the west side of Dayton. Uh she went to Northwestern undergrad, Georgetown law, and um then ended up coming back because her husband and she met, her first husband and she met um as City of Dayton uh summer rec employees. Okay. And they married her first year in law school, and so she moved back home and went to work at a firm here. And I guess there were like two firms, and they both offered her a position. And I just like the the the like, you know, Sharon is like, I think maybe a couple years younger than my parents. And the story she said was like, yeah. So I, you know, went through the top 10 law firms in Dayton. I applied, and then by the 10th law firm in Dayton, they're pretty small. So, you know, I did the for like top three or top four, and I got offers on the top two. And then after the first one, which was Smith and Schnackey had offered, that's where she went. And then the second one sent me an they both offered to me, and the second one rescinded the offer, and she says, I believe they were talking to Smith and Schnocky. And she said, and the note, the note said, We're rescinding our offer. We're just not ready to have a woman lawyer here, and they like put that in the note that was the reason why. Yeah, that was the reason why. And she's just like, that's like how it was, like, you know. Um, this was like 1970s. In the 70s when she started, so wild. And so uh, so she like her stories were hilarious. Like they had she had like a dozen of these, and then she'd just laugh, like, isn't that the funniest thing ever? And you're like, wow, like, you know, it's just interesting to see like how much has changed. As we've talked about a lot on this podcast, how much it's changed and how much people just put up with, you know, that you would never put up with today. Uh, so we had a great time there, and then yesterday, um, I got a uh oh, and we went I went to dinner Friday night with uh the Anther Health Wats experience and Tony and Maggie figure. We went to resonance, which is you know the four course dinner place.
SPEAKER_06That's the one down by the four course?
SPEAKER_03Yes, there's the old Bruce spot.
SPEAKER_06Oh, the oh and the Oregon district. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Very good food. Yeah, um, and we did the wine pairings with the food, of course, and Sam liked that. Uh so we had a nice time um with everybody there. And then yesterday, um Big Gretsch was in Cincinnati. Big Gretsch. And um uh Gretchen Whitmer, as we affectionately call her, Big Gretch.
SPEAKER_07The governor of Michigan.
SPEAKER_03The governor of Michigan, and she toured the Cincinnati Clinic uh for Plain of Planned Parenthood and did a um roundtable discussion with our staff just about like what it's like to provide abortion access in Cincinnati. You know, we've had an arson in this place this this year, and just you know, she they shared like some of the stories about like how they get patients here from Florida, what they do to get the patients here since we're the first uh clinic from uh Key West Florida on I 75. Uh so that 1300 miles. And so it was just like a really I was just really proud to be part of the organization when they were talking to Governor Whitmer. And then um and then I went uh to an Indian fundraiser with Gretchen Whitmer, and that was great. Um and Emily Whaley and I were hosts of this fundraiser, so that was fun. And um then we went to have um the same ads brewery afterwards with my parents. My whole family was there, except Teddy. Teddy went to a rap concert in Cleveland instead of choose that. I know, and then we went that we split off, and my parents and Sam and David went to the Reds game and the Reds got traunced. And Emily and I went to this Jane Austen show uh in the Shakespeare Theater in Cincinnati. It was like called the Unabridged Austin, and they retold all six novels. Like it was very funny. I really enjoyed it. I thought again, I thought Virginia a lot when I was like at this show, and so we went to that. So I've had a full two weeks. Yeah, no kidding. Wow with a lot of folks, having a great time, fighting hard for November. Um, we're in the thick of it, it's 79 days. Uh, so you know, all my free time is spent um doing what I can to try to change Ohio and America because God it needs changed.
SPEAKER_06There you go. Um Catherine, what have you done? Thank you for doing that. Well you can talk with food in your mouth, it's okay. It's called dinner with Ann.
SPEAKER_10I could, but uh yeah.
SPEAKER_06And you're far enough away that your food wouldn't spray me.
SPEAKER_10That's great. Yeah, that's a good point. Um, I don't want to get it on the micro, uh, the microphone though. Um yeah, I've had a busy couple of weeks. It's been a lot of work. Um a lot of work. I talked about work today. Yeah, you've talked about you talk about work.
SPEAKER_07I mean, my work there's not a rule that you can talk about work.
SPEAKER_10So, yeah, work is also my boss is on the ballot uh this November, and there's a lot to do um as we head toward November.
SPEAKER_09Who was your boss?
SPEAKER_10Carl Keith. Oh, okay. County auditor Carl Keith. Um we are in the midst of a property revaluation in Montgomery County, and uh we are in the phase of doing lots of community outreach, and so we have been conducting like two to three uh two to three forums out in the public uh every week. Um that's brutal. Where we are, well, you know, we're doing the thing that you're supposed to do as a public servant, right? Most people don't anyhow. And most people don't, and we still do. Um, we were we actually we were in Kettering at one of the Dayton Metro Library locations in Kettering yesterday uh morning. Um, we've been kind of all over the county. We have a few more left to do. Uh, we're gonna continue to go out all through the fall uh talking about the homestead exemption. There's been some changes in the Ohio law this year that's going to allow people to get who are on homestead exemption to get more money uh in January. It's a one-time shot. So we we've got a busy plan, and then you know, that's all the work stuff, and then we're also working on the campaign stuff. And you know, those of us who volunteer to do that as well, we've been pretty busy. So um, yeah, it's been a busy couple of weeks. Um let's see. I also had to do a crown this week, this past week. And when I was sitting at the dentist office, it was Tuesday afternoon when we had those terrible storms roll through and the power went out. Well, right now it was like it was like a nightmare scenario.
SPEAKER_09Were you numb moments?
SPEAKER_10I was already numb, and they were getting ready to start like doing the work, and the power went out, and we sat there in the dark for about 30 seconds, and I heard my dentist go, ooh, and I of course immediately I'm like, what in the hell is gonna happen now? Um, the power came back up, but I had to sit there a little while longer, and while we could well, they figured out if they had like all their machines and stuff back up, because it's all you know, this like technology, right? And it's like connected to the internet, and they've gotta like send images of my tooth to the machine that makes the crown and all this. So it was a little bit nerve-wracking. Some poor woman at the front desk was I heard her like go, oh my god, I was right in the middle of payroll. So hopefully other people got paid and they recovered, but they eventually, the machines they needed to do my crown, came back on. Good, and so I was nice and numb when they started doing the work and then got it finished and made it through, but it was a little dicey. It's like yeah, it's one of those things you just like dread anyway, and I'm like, oh my god, never again on a stormy day.
SPEAKER_07So last Friday, not two days ago, Friday, but a week ago. When uh Eddie's power got knocked off, and your power got knocked off, and Nan's power got knocked off. How long were you guys up for?
SPEAKER_10Not long. It was actually a long time. I went out at lunch, and I was back until eight o'clock. Oh, because I wasn't until five. Okay. I didn't think very long. Now I went out at lunch, and the only reason I know that is because my alarm stuff, like my I was getting my messages buzzing that it was out um because my alarm went offline. So yeah. It was telling me like it's going battery backup, and it stayed on the battery backup for like a whole afternoon.
SPEAKER_07I was out at Legacy and Eddie texted and said, Don't hurry home, the power's off. But then by the time I got back, the power was on this side.
SPEAKER_10That's good. Yeah, ours came back, it was like between 7:30 and 8 o'clock, sometime in there.
SPEAKER_06So the the one side of Roe is on one grid and the other side of Roe is on the other grid. And remember when Hurricane Ike came through?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, you guys power, and we were out for five days over there.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, was it five? I thought it was seven.
SPEAKER_10Was it more than that? Oh, it was seven or eight. You moved during that day, so it was eight days. I just remember, you know, this was my port in that storm. Yeah. Enjoy some air conditioning and watch some TV.
SPEAKER_07Because we had all your guys' food over here.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, we brought food over. Well, I was working at headquarters then too, and I took a bunch of stuff to the headquarters for anyway. Paul. Here we are.
SPEAKER_05Well, two weeks. Yeah. So each of those two weeks, I have volunteered at Hannah's treasure chest. Um, I am becoming an expert at cleaning books and kind of judging whether they're good enough to give out because Hannah's uh, or specifically the volunteers in Hannah's have very high standards because they're all mothers and grandmothers. And if they wouldn't give it to their child or more likely grandchild, it's not going out to uh a family in need. Um, but also uh making a lot of progress on uh trying to figure out what to do with all the toy donations. So we're blessed with donations, but uh there's a whole process on uh uh the intake. Um what else? Last weekend, Dan, I was uh I went to Cedar Rapids, Iowa to go curling with some of my uh yeah, yeah, with my St. Louis curling club friends. They invited me to go out there. I don't believe I've ever been to Iowa. Oh yeah, I don't I don't have a bucket list. I don't have a bucket list to actually go to all 50 states, etc. But I mean if I did check, and then Kate alerted me um that uh I did. Um it was actually the night that um we were here, and uh she said, Oh, you have to stop at the world's largest truck stop on I-80. I don't know. Okay, you can't miss it. Yeah, so I did, and uh I have the picture with the Club Garrett's t-shirt.
SPEAKER_10So it's worth a stop, right?
SPEAKER_05Yep, right.
SPEAKER_10I was just on there a long time.
SPEAKER_05I love it, Paul. Yep, and so even though the uh the Cedar Rapids Curling Club uh is an arena club, meaning that they're running ice um from the local club. They still had a logo, so I have the club Garrett's t-shirt photo with the logo of the Cedar Rapids Curling Club. All right, Paul. Um, our team started off not great, and then we pulled we rallied and we ended up uh winning the D event. So I think that means we're the seventh best team out of 20. So nothing to write home about, but we still got a pin for it. Yeah. And then on the way home, and when I say, you know, this is it's like a 500 and I don't know, 30-mile trip. So, you know, and since I was leaving late enough on Sunday, I was like, well, I'm gonna arrive back here late. So let's stop off at the Herbert Hoover National Historic Site. Oh right. Yeah, it's a legit National Park Service site, and it's it was super close to I-80, so I don't want to exaggerate. No, but it was like a 45-minute stop. I walked around the grounds, it was it was pretty good.
SPEAKER_07Now, that also was just on CBS Sunday morning last week. Really? Yeah, both those things were okay. For real. I know I believe you.
SPEAKER_05I for real. Wild.
SPEAKER_09Did you stop and see Field of Dreams?
SPEAKER_05I did not do that. No. Um, yeah, sorry.
SPEAKER_09I didn't go too far up the interstate, but uh go see that because it's not an Academy Award-winning movie.
SPEAKER_05Well it's on the national uh historic site, although you know, but uh, you know, it's so it's it probably would have been uh club garris t-shirt worthy, Steve. You know, but uh that's I would have gone yeah, yeah. So I didn't build it, but it will come. And then um volunteered at Hannah's and then uh uh I spent uh few hours yesterday and then a couple hours today representing the curl troy curling club at uh German picnic at St. Ann's Hill because we had a booth trying to drum up business. Yep, uh well, emails, yep.
SPEAKER_10Uh trying to get anybody interested. We got a lot of people uh dreaming of ice on a hot day.
SPEAKER_05You know, I don't think anyone here will be surprised as they hear this, but you know, curling is still a relatively niche sport, but everyone has heard of it and watched it at the Olympics. So people may not know the rules, etc. But yeah.
SPEAKER_10And every normal non-athlete thinks that they could curl. Yeah. Yeah. But I could curl. Like probably.
SPEAKER_09The sport really needs something like in the Olympics where you have that Australian woman right dancing.
SPEAKER_10Oh my God. Yeah, you're right.
SPEAKER_05So yeah, so it's very easy for you know to talk to people because they just like they just moan, you know, they just pause long enough and you're like, hey, have you heard of curling? And you know the answer is gonna be like, yeah. I said, I bet you watch it on the Olympics. Yeah. So I mean, it doesn't mean they're gonna come try it out or become you know members of the club, but it at least we don't have to spend 15 minutes talking about what curling is. So anyway, yeah. Um, I think that's it.
SPEAKER_07Well, in the Sunday New York Times, last Sunday they had uh curling by the call of sand in Rome.
SPEAKER_03I think I sent it to the group.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, that was sent to the group.
SPEAKER_03I sent it to the group.
SPEAKER_06Oh, okay. I read it in the paper.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but I also you also commented on it on our text page. You did.
SPEAKER_06Yes.
SPEAKER_03You did. You had a smart comment. I didn't read. Oh, yeah. I did.
SPEAKER_06Okay, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03You said Paul could kick uh after Duncan completes his southbound, he can jump the pond to Rome and crawl like an ancient gladiator, throwing the heads of hunts.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, Dan was really reaching to tie in his uh southbound desires for me on that one, but that's okay. Um he's true to his uh Paul. Well 73 you are.
SPEAKER_07Oh boy, march of time and you're doing and you're doing uh pastry with Paul podcast.
SPEAKER_10Pastry with Paul.
SPEAKER_07Pastry with Paul. Yeah, that's good. That's good, Dan. That's a good one. We're gonna go, you know, every once in a while when I go out to St. Kateri to visit Dan. Oh my gosh, I go, you were right, I should have gone southbound.
SPEAKER_05Oh my gosh. Um yeah, actually, I I talked to a volunteer in Hannes Treasure Chess whose son has through hiked the Appalachian Trail, has has uh through hiked the uh Pacific Crest Trail and is working on the Continental Divide Trail. Oh so I was like, yeah. That's what I'd do.
SPEAKER_10I wouldn't go back on the same trail I just left. I'd go do another one.
SPEAKER_01Who ask your opinion? Oh my god.
SPEAKER_10Oh season one, season one, meet me on the bounty.
SPEAKER_06That's happened many a time.
SPEAKER_12Oh, do you want to know, Steve?
SPEAKER_09Um I I've been wondering your ask you as well. Was there anybody that you crossed uh past while you were comete completing your uh major walk um that you felt uneasy enough?
SPEAKER_05Oh that's no one's really asked me that question, Steve. So you you win a some sort of prize there. I'm gonna say no. I mean, part of that is you know, being a guy. Um there were a couple folks that were definitely homeless, and I know that because they said I'm homeless, um, so it wasn't a guess. Um but you know, uh I haven't really talked about this or wrote about it because there were there were rumors being spread, Steve. Like one of the homeless guys, there are rumors being spread. And it's like I don't want to say don't be cautious, but I don't like the idea of rumors being spread, right? Because now it becomes fifth hand, and it's like rumors being spread, this guy has done like an affair, not not like physical activities, but like you know, he's like flashing himself to people, and then people, you know, with modern technology, even though cell service isn't necessarily great, like I gotta warn this group behind me that there's this, and it's like we are doing this on fifth-hand information, and I'm not saying don't but you should be cautious of anybody you first approach, right? So, why does it require special special warning? So I may be a minority opinion on that, but I I don't, you know, and and but no, a lot of times I was with groups, like there was a guy who was definitely homeless, like sleeping in the corner of the shelter, but there was also like you know, 12 of us around there. So, you know, I you know so yeah. Well, this podcast just took a dark turn. No, no. Steve, well, I mean, Steve asked like a you know a safety question. I mean, you do see news articles occasionally, but it's like any other thing. Like, given the the the the hundreds of thousands of visitors, in fact, little millions that set foot on the Appalachian Trail, not as through hikers, but just use it. Um, I mean the crime rate is actually super duper low. I mean, um, and sometimes people are like fleeing to the app.
SPEAKER_03Lowest crime rate since 1900.
SPEAKER_09I mean and the rest rooms in those state parks are really clean, and that's because of the city.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, of course.
SPEAKER_03So I mean you should always sponsor this podcast.
SPEAKER_05You you should always be you should always be wary, you know, and you know, like but that's true of you know any any situation. Um there was one time uh I was in Virginia and uh I was ending my hike, uh, and I'd planned to go a little further, but there I came across a hiker that I had met earlier, like the day before or something like that. I got to talking to her briefly. It was like towards 5 30 or something. This is when the sun is setting, like at 9 o'clock, 9 30. So I I mean I could have made additional miles like I was planning to, and I just got the impression she was happy to like have somebody else there because it was like an unofficial campsite, and she didn't say that, but um, you know, and she was I mean, she'd been hiking before, so I mean I could it could be in my mind, but I I decided to like just end my day there instead of going another three miles because that wasn't gonna make or break my overall goal. So that was a long answer, Steve.
SPEAKER_09But no, it's a great answer. He was the one people thought on the EC.
SPEAKER_11Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_09Wow, wow.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that uh donut header donut header had I'll tell you one of my stories.
SPEAKER_09Uh at 6'4, uh between 225 and 240, most of my life when I was playing basketball on that. Uh I'd be running and I'd come up on a woman, and they'd be real suspicious, and I had no problems with that. But it's amazing how age and factors in your life change. And when my leg was amputated, I could come up on any woman and I'll go, How are you, sir? Do you need anyone? And that's because they realize with a finger they can push me over and I'll never get up again. So well, that's a good segue into what have you done these past two weeks? Um, I'm 75 years old. If you aren't, you know, unfortunately I don't have the family support, and you have more friends than I do, but I have a good amount. You know all friends, focus. But uh, none that wanted to admit it openly.
SPEAKER_03I mean, we are the best. Dan is so lucky to live on our restaurant. That's true. At least Steve knows it. Dan may not know it.
SPEAKER_09Oh, yeah. Doctor's appointments primarily. Um my prosthetic stump is giving you blisters, and I found out that you need to, after four or five years, you need to make it smaller. And uh, so I'm kind of excited about getting a new upper part of my um prosthetic, which will maybe allow me to put in advance better. We'll see.
SPEAKER_10That's great.
SPEAKER_09Um, what I wanted to say though is uh I followed Nan because you're you're in the news and it's easier. I call all of you, I call all of you my friends, but I really don't know you as much. Kate, I have to give you kudos. You really seem to be moving knowledgeable.
SPEAKER_10Oh, thanks.
SPEAKER_09You really are.
SPEAKER_03I really like it. She's the right, she's she keeps us in this for sure. Like we're just along for the ride.
SPEAKER_09And I really appreciate Paul you do for women, seriously. As I get older, I uh appreciate that. Thank you, Steve. And Paul. What a suck up, Stock Kristen.
SPEAKER_10No, this is great. Paul.
SPEAKER_09And Paul in middle-aged to walk the Appalachian Trails incredible. He didn't rock it, he hiked it. Oh my gosh. So anyway, uh, I've listened to you uh probably a half, maybe a little bit more. I had a rougher time with the earlier podcast than yes.
SPEAKER_03We're trying, we've been trying to improve our tech. The tech committee is learning everything. I'll volunteer.
SPEAKER_09I have one comment, and Kate went close to it today, but he didn't she didn't go all the way. I'm listening to the apartment and uh really liked it. Listen to and uh everybody's talking about what they did for the week, and Dan comes up and says, Well, I had two crowns, two cavities, and a teeth cleaning. And I'm thinking to myself, my God, I I eat lunch with him at least twice a week. That's the SOB brushes teeth at all.
SPEAKER_05Wow. You definitely should come back more often, Steve.
SPEAKER_04Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_13Dan's is not exactly.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, not exactly. You can't get mad at us now. I had lunch with him last time I moved my silver over to the left side away from him.
SPEAKER_10Dear listeners, if you could only see Dan's.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, he's borderline speechless. And the only good thing about this is this is my last shot.
SPEAKER_10Oh, what?
SPEAKER_09Unless McCrow really likes me. So, anyway, what I did do, it rained a lot this week. It rained this week, and I learned something that really made me excited about my ancestors. Now, Dan knew about this um about five, four to six weeks ago, but uh I did some further studying on my uncle, my great uncle, who would be my grandfather's brother, and he uh wrote a series of books. Um The Great Ghost Founder's Boy, his name was Robert Falkers. And um he wrote about 11 books, started out writing articles in the 20s, 1920s, or 34 since we made inquiry, but then he wrote these 11 books there was before the boys and so um there were in the king um figure with a boy named Secretary Hawkins and his adventure. And um what happened would made it really, really interesting is um there were the secretary heartened voice colours throughout the United States and but it was somewhere in red stoner's boy and gray ghost. And they say great writer's copy things, and here the person that appreciated that was Harper Lee. So in the end of The Kill Mocking Bird, um I forget the characters' names, but they're reading to the little girl parts of the gray ghost. And oh my god. Yeah, so it gives me goosebumps because Harper Lee was a recluse. I think she only gave one interview. But so looking further, I got a quote here. Not a quote, but a quote. Says to Robert Jokers, he gave me so many happy hours with Secretary Hawkins and Stoner's boy, yours Harper Lee. Wow.
SPEAKER_04Whoa!
SPEAKER_09Pretty cool. Awesome. And it's a neat, it's a neat tie-in because many people thought uh to kill Mockingbird should have won the Academy Award instead of Warren's Raven.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. So interesting.
SPEAKER_09I know I'm friends with you guys. My friendship may be a little bit weak with Dan to my right. After tonight.
SPEAKER_10He's he's yeah.
SPEAKER_09I hit Lil' Bell because he usually comments if it's not too bad.
SPEAKER_03But I might have friends of show he's he's waiting. He's in Don't worry, that's how it goes.
SPEAKER_09I'll take a little bit more than mine.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely.
SPEAKER_09This is the cheap mind that Dan bought, right?
SPEAKER_02No, no, this is this is just what I pulled out.
SPEAKER_09Wow.
SPEAKER_03This is amazing. That's funny. Dan, what'd you do this week?
SPEAKER_01Just so you know tonight, how's your week?
SPEAKER_06Just so you know.
SPEAKER_03This is so cool.
SPEAKER_06Thank you. Steve Shulkers is my best friend.
SPEAKER_03I know. I've heard you say that many times.
SPEAKER_06Yes. Just so everybody knows, Steve Shulkers is my best friend. Did he say was? I couldn't hear it.
SPEAKER_07So I'm gonna leave it at that because we've got bigger fish to fry here. Uh this past week it was uh what are you laughing about?
SPEAKER_13Oh boy. Hilarious. Go ahead, Danny.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_07Uh had a couple good times at Legacy, uh, which is always fun. And uh we had Wednesday dinner uh with the grandkids and the kids down here, and that was fun. Uh and then uh most recently, Eddie and I uh just got back from the annual Platt Family Lake Hope uh extended weekend. Uh Eddie and I pulled out on Thursday and got there uh to Lake Hope. Uh he's my roommate there at Lake Hope, and it was a very, very good time. We did a lot of things, a lot of talk, a lot of family.
SPEAKER_10How was the weather for you guys?
SPEAKER_07Uh I think it really rained uh Thursday night, and then it rained a couple times after that, but nothing that really disrupted anything, yeah.
SPEAKER_10So people were there.
SPEAKER_07Oh, 50?
SPEAKER_10Wow, really?
SPEAKER_07Probably 50, yeah.
SPEAKER_10That's actually small. Is it?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it was actually small. Yeah, there were people missing, yeah. But yeah, it was uh it was a real good time. Uh I will say this. And all the infinite wisdom of state government, and I'm not sure when this started, but it started a while ago. Uh they're still state parks, but they've been privatized. And uh, you know, Lake Hope, when we first started going there, was like Hooterville. Uh, but you know, they were state employees trying to do the best they could. Now, since then, uh, as they got more and more corporate, uh, you know, they fixed things up, they air conditioned it, they did this, they did that. Now they have uh key cards instead of locks, you know. Uh, and the prices are are doubling now. But the one thing Lake Hope hasn't ever done through all this privatization is their damn mattresses. Their mattresses are like sleeping on a bowl of jelly. And as you know, I'm kind of big, and when I hit that mattress and I'm almost on the floor, it's a problem. They haven't, I've been in room two forever. That is the same mattress before COVID. They fixed it, yeah. They fixed this, they fixed that, they did this, they did that. Nope. They even got Wi-Fi now. Wow, they haven't had Wi-Fi forever, and it used to be you could never get cell phone down there. I was texting people all over, uh, talking to people on the phone, which you never could do from Lake Hope before. So they did that. But what I'm thinking is next year, because I'm planning on going back, I'm gonna buy a mattress and I'm gonna strap it to the top of my car.
SPEAKER_10Perfect.
SPEAKER_07And I'm gonna go down there and I'm gonna take that damn mattress out of room two and dump it in the dumpster. But then I've decided, hmm, uh, I'll probably get convicted of uh theft. But uh so if anybody there with the high department of natural resources, not that you can do anything about it anymore since everything's been privatized, get some new mattresses. Those things are horrible. Oh, they're terrible. So, Eddie Am I Lion?
SPEAKER_10No, they're not good.
SPEAKER_09Yep. I have a funny addendum. One of our Nobody asks you for a funny addendum. No, it's just and it's not about you, Dan. One of our associates to have lunch. Uh we all knew that Dan doesn't get Wi-Fi down there. So he said something derogatory on the text message to all of us. And Dan comes back and says, I read this and screw you.
SPEAKER_07But somebody was Jeff Patzer.
SPEAKER_08We're shocked.
SPEAKER_02We're shocked. We're shocked. It all snaps.
SPEAKER_07Shocked there's gambling going on here.
SPEAKER_02Do you want do you want carnival or cherry talking about it?
SPEAKER_05That's a good rains in the movie. I know. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Okay, so yeah, so anyhow, uh I'm glad we went to Lake Hope. And uh then on the way back, Eddie and I went out to uh Saint Kateri and uh visited Virginia because we had to tell her the story uh of Lake Hope. This year, Mary Grace, her twin sister, was walking down the hill, and Nan's been there, so she knows the hill I'm talking about to go to Laura Lodge when in her clumsy sub she slipped and fell, ended up having to go to urgent care, fractured her uh thumb. So she ended up in a brace like Eddie has, so they were the the brace twins, and uh so I uh I had to stop at St. Katara and say, Well, you're not the clumsy twin anymore. Mary Grace is. So, Mary Grace, I know you're not listening to the podcast because you never do, even though you say you do from time to time. Let's just shout out to you. You are now the clumsy one. Okay, so with that, I think we've all talked about what we've done.
SPEAKER_01Uh we are now going to move on and to the reason why uh my best friend, um my best friend is this past time.
SPEAKER_07My best friend uh Steve Stalkers is here because early on he told me that Lawrence of Arabia was his favorite movie. So I said, okay, well you can come for Lawrence of Arabia. And I just want to say I'm glad Steve's here. Uh he, like me, is uh mobile uh uh has mobility issues, but he's got a lot worse than I do because he's got an artificial leg. Uh and it's three steps up to get into my house. Three steps. Uh so I don't know where I'm gonna get him the hell out of my house tonight.
SPEAKER_10He's moving in, Dan. Didn't we tell you?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, that's what I'm afraid. So I'm gonna I'm gonna need uh the truck's coming tomorrow.
SPEAKER_05That's the new podcast of revision of the odd couple.
SPEAKER_07Shulkers, I do have uh my elevator is rated for 40 stone.
SPEAKER_01I'm just saying shulkers is 40 stone.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, 39. I'm I'm in good shape.
SPEAKER_01It's 40 stone.
SPEAKER_07Uh so uh I'm gonna have to get all the able-bodied men to do a uh Cleopatra carry out here. Uh so anyhow, uh tonight we're going to do the 1962 Best Picture, Lawrence of Arabia. Uh in 1962, these were the movies it was up against The Longest Day, which is a great D-Day movie. Meredith Wilson's The Music Man. I didn't know it was called Meredith Wilson's The Music Man.
SPEAKER_01I did.
SPEAKER_07Mutiny on the Bounty, and this would have been the one with Marlon Brando. And to uh kill a mockingbird. Yeah. Uh it also won for directing David Lean. It won for cinematography color. They were still doing the difference between color and black and white. Uh music score, substantially original music score. It got art direction, set direction, uh art direction set decoration for color. It got sound and it got film editing. Uh I'm going to read real quickly here from uh the Bible. The Bible, our 80 Years of the Oscar by Robert Osborne, to set the stage for our discussion of Lawrence of Arabia. Let me get to the right page. Here we go. Okay. Let me get my glasses off so I can read. And here we you're still hearing me, right?
SPEAKER_10Oh my god.
SPEAKER_09You'll have to take I only want to take a piece of me, so you'll have to take a piece with something what's in there.
SPEAKER_06I gladly.
SPEAKER_09Go ahead, Dan. Are you sure I can go ahead? You're the boss. No, I'm not.
SPEAKER_01I'm the host.
SPEAKER_10Oh boy.
SPEAKER_01Uh Lawrence of Arabia, Best Picture, Columbia, produced by Sam Spiegel.
SPEAKER_07For the first uh for their first reteeming after their highly successful The Bridge on the River Kwai in 1957, Sam Spiegel and directed. And director David Lean first toyed with the idea of filming the life of Mahatma Gandhi.
SPEAKER_01They discarded it, and Speedwood was able to purchase the rights to Thomas Edward Lawrence's Seven Pillars of Wisdom.
SPEAKER_07Lawren Brando was the first choice to play Lawrence, but he was filming Mutiny on the Bounty and unable to accept. So the role went to 28-year-old Peter O'Toole, an actor relatively unknown in film circles. Location filming went on for many months in raw temperatures, but the hardships ultimately added to the authenticity and grandeur of the finished film. A visually stunning epic which concentrated on the Grove Desert campaigns of Lawrence at the time of World War I, leading Arab raids against the Turks.
SPEAKER_01At times it also pondered the man's mysterious nature and his occasional streaks of sadism.
SPEAKER_07Lawrence co-starred with Alex Guinness, Anthony Quinn, Jack Hawkins, Jose Ferr, Omar Sharif, Claude Rains, Arthur Kennedy, and Anthony Quayle. And it won, like I just said, a total of seven Academy Awards for its excellence. So with that uh background of the movie, Nan Lilly. May I add just one thing?
SPEAKER_09Yes. Okay. Peter Peter was nine inches taller than the Ego. He was hydrophysic.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_09You have to look at the other non-nominated movies, which was Bird Made of Alcatraz. Days of Wine and Roses, which was a great movie. The Manchurian candidate, which a lot of people liked. And the Miracle Worker. And The Sweet Bird of Youth.
SPEAKER_10So Big Year.
SPEAKER_09Big Year. Yeah, I'm sorry, I lost it. In 2007, uh updated list of a hundred years, a hundred movies. He just took my podcast to Havana.
SPEAKER_07He broke through the pilot's cabin door.
SPEAKER_10He's a guest. Put a bit of a head. It's appropriate that a mutiny on the bounty was nominated.
SPEAKER_09And then said, we're taking this podcast to Havana. More. I'm trying to figure that if I'm the guest speaker, I have to add insight.
SPEAKER_07That means you've never listened to it. Oh. We have protocol.
SPEAKER_06We go to one less one.
SPEAKER_10Guys, is it time for siestas with Steve? Okay.
SPEAKER_09Anyway, finishing. In 2007, an update was. I suck. The American Film Institute found Lawrence of Arabia to be number seven. So it's a good movie.
SPEAKER_03Number seven, AFI on the list.
SPEAKER_09No, please first seat.
SPEAKER_03Um I liked this movie. It was a little too long. It needed some editing. What I say normally on, I think this is the second longest movie of the list of winners.
SPEAKER_10I think it depends on which version. Which version.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_10If you watched it on Netflix, it was the longest it was.
SPEAKER_03It was very long. Um I thought it made me very curious about the real T T S. Is it T S or T E Lawrence? T E Lawrence. So I did I researched that after the shooting was beautiful. Like it was so so pretty. Um, and something about the desert with the blue, I mean the the colors were amazing. Uh and you and you could stare at that all day, and that was good because they needed to edit it. So look at the pretty photos on amazing. Um you definitely got that they were playing uh I thought it was interesting. What were 1963, 1964? And you know, Lawrence, like they're they're giving the cues that he's 1962, uh giving the cues that he's a homosexual, and I thought that was really interesting because I like they had questions about this as I researched afterwards about his sexuality. So I thought that was interesting and like kind of vanguard for the 1960s, um, and like some of the sadism uh issues. Uh definitely a white savior movie. Definitely, I think that I would say, like, and it's I think it's quoted as like the white savior movie, right? Because the way that they at the end of the movie, like, all the Arabs are so barbaric and they can't do anything without without Lawrence, and Lawrence is at the center of the table. And you know, um, also like history does not bear that out. That's not what happened. Um, but like, so I think they I think they even banned it in certain Arab countries over over the white savior complex of of Lawrence on it. Um uh I loved Omar Shreve. Yeah, oh yeah. He is so hot.
SPEAKER_09What's his favorite? What's his favorite movie? What's your favorite movie of his?
SPEAKER_03Oh, uh uh funny, funny girl. Funny girl. But this was great because he's so hot. I'd watch him all day long, even in unedited because he is so fine. That's what I have to say about this movie.
SPEAKER_10Oh, well, I agree with Nan on how this movie. How hot, how hot it was. Well, that too. Definitely he is hot. But the the way this movie is shot, David Lean is known for like these big visual epics, right? And it's like so true. I love the opening. I love when you see Omar Shrey coming from like that long, long distance, and you get that long scene of him coming forward. And so you can tell that David Lean had influences from other filmmakers that had come before him. I think I read a little bit that like he really took from John Ford like his big, like his epic westerns in Monument Valley, like were I think really critical to informing his decisions on how to shoot some of these like big scenes. And you can tell, right? There's that like that grandness, the scale, and the color, like Nan said, like in the you don't expect that kind of like color contrast in the desert, but it's like the way that they found it, it made it really visually striking. I thought, like, all the way through it, it's a very visually striking movie. Um, and the performances are really good. Um, it's not up there with one of my favorites. Um, it's not one that I will like watch over and over. I've seen it one other time before I watched it again for this. It's I feel like it has long stretches of story that frankly just aren't that interesting to me. Um the overall story is interesting, but just it's it's almost four hours and it it feels it just feels like it drags in in places where I just I wish there was a little more pickup to it. Um it's interesting too. It's it's a very long movie, and there's like not a single woman who speaks in the whole movie. And I get it. I mean the era and the place. It's the Middle East. It's the Middle East, and the and like they're filming about an era where uh you would expect you know few women to be seen or heard, right? But it is it's something that like in my 2026 uh lens here watching it, it's very striking, right? That there's like really no none, right? There were there wasn't I there wasn't a woman I think so there wasn't a single woman who spoke on screen in this movie.
SPEAKER_05We know David Lee knows how to put in a token woman like Bridge on the River.
SPEAKER_10There was a scene where there were like women in the background, but I think like it was very fleeting. So how's that?
SPEAKER_07How's that a criticism of the movie?
SPEAKER_10I'm not I'm not saying that what I'm just listening to what I said, it is a noticeable thing, and you know, it's like for me, uh watching a movie from an you know, I get it, but it is a very noticeable, I think noticeable enough in 2026 to say, like, you know, we just had Bridge on the River Kwai. Remember, we talked about how it seemed like it forced women into it, right? Like the scene with the nurse and the, you know, it's like we had that movie that was very much about men in a war, right? That there were the um native women that helped them, and there was the scene with the the scenes with the nurse and William Holman, and it's like it felt like there were women forced into it. This time around, it's very noticeable that there are no women. And I I think it's interesting that a few years after Bridge on the River Choir, the studios required them to like put the nursing in, like here we are, a four almost a four-hour movie with no women on the screen. And I think it's like it's impressive to some degree that they allowed them to do it that way. Because you wouldn't expect in the Middle East in that period of time to be seeing women in any sort of prominent role in the society, right? So it's just striking, and not and not in British, surely it's just striking as I watch that to know that like I just watched a four-hour movie and there wasn't a single female character in it. Um, and I'm not saying that as necessarily even a criticism, but it's something it's a point that I think bears speaking out loud. And you know, clearly Dan doesn't agree, but it's it is a point that bears speaking out loud. It's a four-hour movie that won Best Picture in 1962 that didn't have a single female in it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but it's telling a historical story. What do what do you want to do? You want to make a fictional person up and put it in to tell a historical story?
SPEAKER_10The studios made them do it on Bridge on the River Fly. They made them put it. No, which wasn't a true story.
SPEAKER_05Well, the only Sharif character was made up.
SPEAKER_10A lot of these characters were amalgams of like other people. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_06So we wanted to make a Marty Hardy and stick a Marty Hardy in there.
SPEAKER_10Well, it wouldn't have worked because he wasn't well, but also like it's just surprising that the studio didn't force something in like that because they clearly were taking liberties with the history, clearly taking liberties with the portrayals of the historical figures, some of which were real and some of which were not. Like they could have taken it is a very noticeable thing. As a woman watching this movie, it is very noticeable that there is no woman.
SPEAKER_05Like if they wanted to force it, I mean it would it would look forced, but they could have had like a confidant of his back in Cairo.
SPEAKER_10You never know.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that some of his like philosophical musings he would say to her this is a movie because Dan is losing his mind about that.
SPEAKER_10He's not understanding.
SPEAKER_01No, I I understand what you're saying.
SPEAKER_06The movie's too long, doesn't have women. Let's keep on going.
SPEAKER_09It's not a documentary, though. It's not your time. If it was a documentary, you could be like this. I'm I'm already in trouble. I wasn't even saying that. Nobody's in trouble. I hit his notes. Nobody's in trouble this side to that side. Because you can knock them on the floor and I can't pick them up.
SPEAKER_07Nobody's in trouble. I love everybody that's here. I do too. I'm trying smilily to understand everybody's position.
SPEAKER_03It would be really, it would be really hard to put a woman in this film because she's so gay.
SPEAKER_09That works.
SPEAKER_10I mean everybody's saying, like, Marty's right.
SPEAKER_07We're gonna have to have the misogyny episode for Nean Wayley to uh rail on men, everybody other than Sam.
SPEAKER_03Oh I rail on Sam too, just for the record.
SPEAKER_05Paul. Um, well, I I do like the movie. I do like that it's an epic. Um I I have studied Middle East history a lot. I have books in my house on Middle East. I lived in Saudi Arabia as a kid. I've seen the movie more than once, although not recently, and certainly not towards an uh with an eye towards um you know talking about it like this. Um but yeah, certainly they had to fictionalize some things. Um I read it some I read somewhere that um there was an earlier version of script where they tried to put in a larger context, which probably would have been boring for the audience. I mean, I would have liked it, um, but that's okay. Um they would have put one in the larger world con not world context, but larger Middle East content. Okay. Because Lawrence did a couple other things um in the Middle East before. Yeah, yeah. Um, Dan, I channeled, I channeled you in a way because I actually went to the library to get the DVD because I did watch the extra um the whatever you want to call the special that had to that had to do with um the making of the movie. So it was kind of intense on like all those desert shots, etc. I'm sure you'll talk about that. Um so I did watch it on DVD, so I could see the little special. Um, but it was I I just like the you know, the David Lean, you know, epic aspect. I mean, we saw a bridge on the river Clarus is a jungle. Here we're in a desert, both you know, inhospitable climates. Um, so it's interesting to see to see you know one one I don't know, ecology to another. Um, I agree with the white savior thing. I mean, it's so prominent, but you know, the the thing is, is like you know, it's like every other movie, like you know, it's gonna focus on the central character. But I mean, it's not only is it like the white savior, but I mean he could not have been more blonder and blue-eyed, right? I mean, you know, Peter O'Toole. So it really unfortunately really stands out that way. Um, what else?
SPEAKER_03Um he had really great eyes.
SPEAKER_05He had good eyes.
SPEAKER_03I thought it was good though how they kind of made it like you know, that's the big criticism of the moon, but I like how they were like he'd get up and he'd be like, I'm the greatest.
SPEAKER_13Yeah, just like he was leaning into the white spirit. So believe this hike. I did I did like that. I like it. It's like, well, if you're gonna go do it, go do it.
SPEAKER_05I mean, historically, he did have a positive impact, but I mean, it's you know, like we would say it's a team effort, right? I mean, but he he had a positive impact for sure. Um, and you know, some of like the small historical things, you know, the context were you know true. Um, General Allenby that we see in the movie, um he he did support Lawrence in real life, the fact that they were worried about the Suez Canal and the Turkslash Germans. I mean, that that was for real at the exact same time. So I mean, again, I'm sure longer that maybe the first cut of the script would have talked more about that. So it wasn't, you know, in a way, it's a throwaway um aspect of the movie, but I mean it it wasn't made up. I mean, it it's just weird because like you know, we think of World War I, we always think of the trenches, you know, in in Europe, and that was certainly real, but like it was a world of war. I mean, they're fighting all these corners of the world.
SPEAKER_07Well, Gallip Gallipoli. Gallipoli, yeah. Well, the English uh killed all the Australians trying to take Gallipoli.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07And you know, that was the Ottoman Empire. Yeah. Mel Gibson, that's a great movie, by the way. Before Mel Gibson went off the deep end. It's a very good movie, Gallipoli.
SPEAKER_05So yeah, I'm I'm done. I may have a coup probably comments. I'll tag on to what you say eventually about like some of the people involved in the making of the film.
SPEAKER_09But my turn. Your turn. Well, to our viewers that can't see it, Dan gave me some more wine, which I almost virtually guaranteed so that I can't get out of my channel. Thank you, Dan.
SPEAKER_03I'm here for the the guests. I'm here. I like to take good care of our special guests.
SPEAKER_09Um I'm gonna take just a little bit of time. I've done a lot of thinking and writing. Um, I saw Lawrence of Arabia 1966 or 67 at Chamranod, and it amazed me. And the reason it amazed me was it was a visually impressive film. I've always loved photography. And I found the photography to be not only amazing, but the use of shadows and lighting, and how the image was framed with both foregrounds and backgrounds, and and that takes thinking and planning, and uh you don't see that in all these John Ford today. And that's the that's the one thing, and then I love the music of Maurice Jarr, no Jar, J-A-R-R-E, I believe. Um I have to get my thoughts greater. Okay, so early on it was the visual and the music, and then um and then um the acting of uh Peter Tool. He was really really good at the train without a lot of words. Later on in life, um it was how hot uh how hot your man looked.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. And they were lifelong friends because they drank a lot together.
SPEAKER_09I'm just kidding. But oh, I believed you, Steve, so one significant and defining part of the movie that stands out to me today is after Lawrence and his guide, for lack of a better word, cross the Nebuchadnezzar and arrived at the Suez Canal, they see the passing motorcycles and wave him down, and he hollows out the internet who are you? And I think that's a theme of a major part of the theme of Lord's radio. Who is this man? He's wearing a lot of different faces and that question to me, so I am me in that face on the floor. At 75, I now view this movie a lot differently. When I was younger, I loved school acting and music, and now it appears to be a character setting for all of us. We are we are all put in situations sometimes beyond our control. And we have to react and move forward however. We aren't always proud of these actions. We might not even be proud of a particular etc or part of our life. But to some, that's difficult in some, right? But to others, it can be compounded by how others view them, sort of like a hero, like T. E. Lawrence was. But that hero stance wears off, and you start to wisp that however great you're weird. You wish it could just go back to being blended into humanity. And I think this long movie showed that. And um T. E. Lawrence was a complicated individual, both great and flawed. This movie did an excellent job of portraying that and more. Some would say that we all claim complicated lives, but that we have episodes or same as that we are both proud of in a stream. And um, that's what I took from this.
SPEAKER_13Good point. That was beautiful. Yeah. Thank you.
SPEAKER_09Thank you for allowing me to be part of this.
SPEAKER_05I want can I say one thing to tag off of it?
SPEAKER_07Nobody needs my permission to do anything.
SPEAKER_10Oh, you're a few. Oh, yeah, you do.
SPEAKER_05I am getting beat up here tonight. When when you're in doing your fair share of beating, Steve, when you're making Steve, when you're making your com comments about the scenery and foreground, background, it made me realize that you know, in these epics, I think David Lean did a good job of trying to, you know, buy get us to understand the time and place. I mean, did that in Bridge on the River Qui. We saw it in Ben Hurl, although not a you know, David Lean movie. And in in some ways, it's a little over the top, but like they're trying to introduce us to an area of the world that in 1962, like I'm sure the viewers, and Dan, you've commented on this, like when we talked about around the world in the 80 days, you know, like we're we're they they have to spend time set literally setting the scene so we can see, and you know, it was just kind of over the top, like you know, they they they they kind of exaggerate like maybe the backwardness, you know, you know, of the tribes and all that. And in a way, it's almost like they're self-conscious of it because there's that scene where the Omar Sharice character is like, oh, you're just gonna go to Cairo and tell them like how backwards we are and all that. So I mean, it wasn't meant to be ironic, but I mean, in a way, it's almost alluding to the fact that the movie itself has to like sh say those things and try to portray like probably what was the common perception or common belief amongst the British.
SPEAKER_09And as as a sidebar, I briefly discussed this with Dan. Rams, I broke a rule, but um There are no rules.
SPEAKER_03I told Steve that there was a rule. We don't talk about the movie until we get on the mics. No, it's I said that. That's a rule.
SPEAKER_07Well, that's the only rule there is.
SPEAKER_09But just on a weird, so many camels, so many horses, so many human beings. And Dan said that's his quote, um, we just aren't gonna ever see that again. Yeah. So and then recently I was reading book reviews and To your point, Paul. Uh this book review saying that this old book is really relevant to be looked at. Read again. I read it in high school black like me. But it's a white guy painting itself black. So all these years I've stayed away from that. But it's our only record of what it was like being a black man from a different uh different person's impression. Same for what you just said regarding this movie and these at this particular time in life.
SPEAKER_11So Danny, what do you think?
SPEAKER_09We need a musical.
SPEAKER_11We'll have a musical.
SPEAKER_07Okay, well, if I've offended anybody here, I apologize. I did not mean to. So let me put that out there to start off with. Uh I uh really like this movie. This is only the probably what's the only time I've ever watched the movie as it was intended to be made. The uh what I watched was the uh restoration done by Steven Spielberg some 25 years after the movie was edited down by Hollywood and then edited down to be on TV. They had lost some of the original sound, so they actually brought the actors, Peter O'Toole, back 25 years later and recut sound for it to make it into what David Lean originally wanted. So that's the version I watched. Uh some of the things that I wrote down, you know, how the movie starts with the speeding motorcycle, which is basically how the movie ends, is with a speeding motorcycle. I thought that was pretty cool. Uh, you know, it kind of two book ends when you think about it. Uh the uh when uh they're coming out of Saint, whatever the church was, uh for his memorial service. Uh and he talks to the uh St.
SPEAKER_05Paul's, I think.
SPEAKER_07St. Paul's. Uh the the one writer talks to Bentley, the guy that knew him, you know, the newspaper guy, I think who might have been Lor Laurel Tom uh Laurel Thomas. Yeah, I think that was the guy that did that really made uh Lawrence of Arabia famous. Uh and his quote was he was a poet, a scholar, and a mighty warrior. He was also the most shameful exhibitionist since Barnum and Bailey. I thought that was uh, you know, a good a good thing from him. And then what I liked, I really liked the dialogue throughout this movie. Uh, and I've liked dialogues throughout other movies, uh, when he's getting dressed down because he didn't salute the guy, and you know, he says, I cannot fiddle, but I can make a great state from a little city. And that British general looks at him like he's got lizards coming out of his ears, and he says, Themako, I can't pronounce it, uh, Themolos, you know, was a Greek guy. Uh, and is like, yeah, well, I know that you know poetry, I know you know this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But what do you know about war? I thought that was kind of interesting. Um another thing uh I thought was interesting, uh, this will go along with some of the uh comments, uh, that they had Alex Guinness playing King Faisal, and they also had uh Anthony Quinn playing uh the one Arab. They actually had to put a prosthetic nose on him to do that. Uh the uh in some of the dialogue I got down, the essential sector of this front is and must be the canal. Uh and King Faisal says, I see that the canal is an essential British interest. It is of little consequence to us. And then the British officer says, British and Arab interests are one and the same. And I thought that dialogue went on throughout the movie about, you know, especially when Claude Raines would come in as that ubiquitous behind the scenes uh government guy who was knew what was going to happen and you know was all about British oil and everything else. Uh the uh the the extras I had on mine had Steven Spielberg talking about the movie and what it meant to him. And he has three movies that inspired him to become a director. And uh it's the greatest show on earth, right? And then I know the third one as the third third.
SPEAKER_03Because didn't he do that with the Fable Muns, like the greatest show on earth?
SPEAKER_07No, he's like the train wreck or something. Well, he said he that uh amazed him when he was a kid. But these are yeah, these are what uh uh uh he did was uh Bridge on Riverquai, Lawrence of Arabia, and uh I can't find it.
SPEAKER_03Um why do you leave us hanging, man?
SPEAKER_07Huh?
SPEAKER_03Why do you leave us hanging?
SPEAKER_07Well, because that's just what I'm doing tonight. Apparently I'm making everybody mad in the night. No, we're enjoying it. I'm enjoying your company.
SPEAKER_09Um my other movie that I this is my top two, and the other one is Dancers with the World. Wow.
SPEAKER_07No, he can't.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he can. Yes, he can.
SPEAKER_07Oh, okay. I found it. What is it? Uh his top three films for inspiration. This is Steven Spielberg, Lawrence of Arabia, Bridge on the River Kwai, and Dr. Chivago, which also has your Omar Sharif in it.
unknownSo hot.
SPEAKER_07He's so hot. That's how I like Nan. She hates men, but when they're hot, they're hot. So, anyhow, we've got to play it back somehow. Does Rob Rose fit in there too?
SPEAKER_11He's fine.
SPEAKER_07Okay. She already answered the question. He's fine. That's a step there.
SPEAKER_02Okay, and then no one more sure.
SPEAKER_07Then uh another thing that Steven Spielberg says in his thing, that it's he says it's the uh only miracle that's ever been filmed is the Mirage scene. Steven Spielberg goes on and on and on about the Mirage scene, about how, you know, they how they did it and how it comes out, and you know, camels walk one foot in front of the other and the whole thing. Steven Spielberg's quote on the Mirage scene is truly put your paper down, I can't hear you. The Mirage scene, Steven Spielberg says, is the greatest miracle on film. Wow. And I thought that was, you know, that's high praise from uh a guy like Steven Spielberg, yeah. Uh so anyhow, continuing on with some of the dialogue that I thought was uh worth um uh was worth talking about.
SPEAKER_03Did you write down the line of like my mother made a scorpion? I like that.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I wrote that down. Yeah. Omar says that too. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03No, no, not Omar, the guy with the prosthetic nose.
SPEAKER_07Oh, okay, Anthony Quinn. Yeah, I I can't remember him.
SPEAKER_03My mother married a scorpion. Or when he like gets caught into the fight.
SPEAKER_09He was I gave a lot of good quotes.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he did. He was very quotable in the movie.
SPEAKER_07Okay, and then um I like that line, and and Spielberg talks about this too. Uh, what attracts you to the desert? And he says it's clean. It's clean, yeah. Yeah, that was uh that was a very interesting line. I thought the the dialogue throughout this was really good. Um, and that whole scene when he goes to Dera, when he gets taken prisoner, that's a really bizarre scene. Really, really bizarre scene. Uh then it comes out that there's that French English pack uh that they've that they've worked out, you know, and then it's become very clear what's what's going on here is uh the British interest and the French interest. Uh then Steve mentioned it, and it's also mentioned in the uh commentary, uh, when they get to the Suez Canal, and the book says, Who are you? And he never answers that because you don't know is he a British officer? Is he an Arab now because he's wearing Arab clothes? Uh is he a murderer? A murderer? Is he this? Is he that? And you know that's that's never answered uh who he is. And I thought that was, you know, I thought that was an interesting way to do the uh intermission. And the other thing, the music was so great that it was decided that when the score played, there would never be any film. So when you enter the movie, like the first five minutes is the score, and you see nothing but a blank screen. And then when you go to the intermission, the only thing that's playing is the score. You don't see anything. And then at the end, they do the credits, but then it's blank screen to play the music because it is definitely stunning. Um it talks about how they worked hard. Oh, well, they they originally wanted to do Gandhi. We talked about that, but they decided that Gandhi hadn't been gone that long, and they couldn't figure out how to do it because history really hadn't figured everything out about Gandhi. Uh so they tried today.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_07Well, we're gonna have uh Dia tell us all that because I bought that movie and sent her to sent her home to India with it. Uh it's based on Lawrence's book, Seven Pillars of Wisdom. Uh and when they finally got the rights to it, uh uh Lawrence's brother uh was his executor, and he insisted on script approval before he would give them rights. So I thought that was interesting. Uh he did have uh script approval for it. They did bring in Anthony Quinn because Hollywood needed a big star. So Anthony Quinn at that time had become a big star.
SPEAKER_02Well at the end.
SPEAKER_07A big uh a big American star. Oh, Zorba the Greek. I mean, he was Anthony Quinn was you know, he was big.
SPEAKER_09Alex Guinness? Yeah, wasn't that well?
SPEAKER_07Alex Guinness was English. Okay. Anthony Quinn was uh American. Okay. Uh and Omar Sharif, it's interesting how your Potty, the guy that you're in love with.
SPEAKER_11He's very fine.
SPEAKER_07Uh-huh. He's very fine. Okay. Uh Omar Sharif got it because he could speak English. They were looking at all other people, and right at the last minute he got the call to come to London and da-da-da-da-da. And then uh one and he had seen the bridge on the river twice, so he really wanted to work with this guy. Omar Sharif was known in the Middle East as a movie star, but not anywhere outside of the Middle East. Uh, and so then, and Omar Sharif is on one of the uh commentaries that I've got. And he said, yep, and then uh I also then signed a uh seven-year contract with Columbia. So we got a lot of good movies from him out there.
SPEAKER_03You know, Omar Sharif had a terrible gambling problem. And he just do like tons of movies just to like keep up his gambling.
SPEAKER_07He said he lost 20 pounds during the filming. And uh also on the filming of it, you know, the location, they went all over, and King Hussein of Jordan really wanted it to be filmed there and was very instrumental in cutting through everything. He turned over the Royal Camel guards, you know, for to do that. Uh, and then some of the locations where they filmed, there was actually still railroad cars that had been blown up by Lawrence. Yeah, because you know it hadn't been, you know, 50 years and it was still there. You go to Europe now, there's all kind of World War II stuff left over. I thought that was pretty interesting. Uh when they were filming it, it if you you see on these commentaries, they have the they're out in the middle of the desert, there's nothing there, but there's this huge tent city build up. So they have all these tents. They actually build a bar so they could uh drink, which I thought was very interesting. The other thing is they're smoking cigarettes left and right with the sand blasting them in the face and everything. All the guys just have shorts on, they're burned to a crisp. Some of the days they were filming it was over 120 degrees. Yeah. And uh they had uh one of the one of the featurettes is the camel call. They put out uh a camel call for uh thousands of riders, so you had to come and show how good you were riding a camel. Peter uh O'Toole spent a month learning how to ride the camel.
SPEAKER_03They're very uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. Peter O'Toole had to spend a I was on one in Egypt.
SPEAKER_03They're very have you been on okay? They're very well, they're very large, uh, they're not a great ride. It's like a hundred times worse than a horse.
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SPEAKER_07Yeah, well, and then you know, and and Omar Sharif had to uh he had a crash course and how to ride a camel. He had never rode a camel.
SPEAKER_03He's Egyptian, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, he's an Egyptian, yeah. Uh okay, we already talked about the um the mirage scene. Um oh, then another thing, uh going back to the women thing, uh the women that you do see are uh not Muslim women, they are Christian women because they couldn't yeah, because they couldn't uh film uh uh Muslim women. So they had to get uh a Christian sect that came in and did the scene where you do see the women. Uh so uh oh then the other thing too, when they would do all these texts, or I mean all these shoots, they'd have to straighten out the sand again. So, you know, they were constantly out there making the sand smooth, making the sand smooth, which I thought was pretty interesting.
SPEAKER_03Wow. Um very smooth.
SPEAKER_07And the other thing, this there's you know, when you read these commentaries, there's uh Spiegel, I think it's Spiegel who was the producer, he liked to uh muscle in on everything, and Dave and Lean had done that with them with Bridge Over the River Kwai. So Lean uh specifically made all these filming locations so Spiegel couldn't get to them, which I thought was pretty funny. Uh and then after they filmed in Jordan, then they had to go to Spain because there was nowhere that looked like uh World War I uh Cairo left. So then they actually ended up going to uh to Spain to finish it. Uh okay, then uh one of the good dialogues that I wrote down here. Oh, and then the uh you know the other thing about how he uh blows it with the the match. Yeah, that's you know that's a pretty pretty big uh scene as well.
SPEAKER_09Um who would have thought that holding a match and then having it fade into the desert would be such a scene.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, yeah, really great.
SPEAKER_07Uh there is okay, and then I thought, you know, because you know, you know how the movie's gonna end. Uh because, you know, the British beginning because he's dead. Well, no, be uh for the for the people.
SPEAKER_03Oh, you know what's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, because you know, I I really like the Claude Rains role because he's such a little you know behind the scenes live. And I wrote this down. Uh this one, they make Lawrence a colonel, and Faisal's in there, and everybody's in there. And Faisal says, There's nothing further here for a warrior. Uh we drive bargains, old men work, young men make war, and the virtues of war are the virtues of young men. Courage and hope for the future, the old men make the peace, and the vices of peace are the vices of old men. Uh mistrust and caution, it must be so. And I thought, yeah, you know, that's pretty much the way of the world, you know. I thought that was pretty good. And then uh Faisal then says, Ah, yes, but Lawrence is a sword with two edges. We are equally glad to be rid of him, are we not? You know, and I thought that was interesting. Uh and uh then, you know, the the scene ends with him taking off and they go around the camels on the motorcycle. Now, I'm almost done. So this is drum roll for everybody. One of the last things that one of the guys who was involved in the filming of it, well, they finished it in Spain, so they all ended up going to a hotel in Morocco uh to wind down after the filming was done. And then Peter O'Toole walks into the crowded bar or the crowded uh lobby of the uh this big hotel in Casablanca, they're at Casablanca, and uh he says after filming completed, they went to Casablanca, where he went into a crowded hotel room and shouted, The fucking picture is finished. I find myself five dollars, but I thought that was uh a great ending.
SPEAKER_03I mean, like how like how tough it was in the desert, I bet it wasn't. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. So, anyhow, on a on a more personal note, I've always liked Peter O'Toole uh because he was very good friends with Richard Harris.
SPEAKER_03I saw that. He and Omar Sharif and Richard Harris. Yes.
SPEAKER_07Peter O'Toole O'Toole saying Martin MacArthur's park, correct? I'm liking you less and less, Shulkers. So, anyhow, I thought it was a great movie. Uh it uh uh I think Lawrence was a uh a mystery inside an enigma, you know, whatever that saying is. A mystery wrapped a micro-handed. Yeah. Um it uh I thought for him to this be his first major acting role, I thought it was unbelievable. Now I do agree with the Academy that Gregory Peck, who got the best actor for uh Atticus Fitch, you know, but but uh I thought Peter O'Toole really was good. I think the thing that impresses me most about this movie, and I'm kind of like everybody else here except Shulkers, I don't know that I would watch this movie again. I don't know that I won it. But when you see those camels, you see those horses, you see those deserts, and then you see these uh these uh the movies, the movie of the movie, how they're making it, you think to myself, oh my God, how did they do that? How did they get all that stuff there? All those people. You know, they had to feed all those people, those thousands of of camels and horses and that charge they make. You know, when they go on Abaca, what's that? Aqaba. Aqaba, they built that city. That city, they they built that in Spain. The houses and everything you see, they built that for that, and then in the in one of the commentaries, they show you we build it, and then we unbuild it. You know, and it's just like back to nature now. I mean, to now it would all be CG, what is it, CGI? It'd all be CGI. So I think from that standpoint, it's just a uh a monumental picture.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, how do you get that one person that's in the far corner, not rider number 999, to hear what the hell you're saying?
SPEAKER_07Oh, god, yeah. Well, and those camels, oh yeah. And Nan has experience riding camels.
SPEAKER_03I did. I shared a picture. I was on a camel, very uncomfortable, and they're so big, it's a little scary.
SPEAKER_09Did it spit on you?
SPEAKER_03It didn't, it didn't. Um, but I took lots of pictures because it will be the only time that I'm on a camel. I also want the record to reflect that Sam said I watched this movie with him before. I don't know what woman he watched this movie with.
SPEAKER_02But it was not with me. Okay. You would remember. I remember this movie, and I kept on. I was like, so I was like, Sammy, I don't know who you watched this with, but it was not me. Okay.
SPEAKER_07And one of the uh maybe not to end it, but another thing that I wanted to bring up. Uh, the one of the The commentaries I watched started with, yeah, you know, he was Lawrence of Arabia. He couldn't die a normal death. Because his death caused all these conspiracies. Oh yeah, he was the was he actually going to meet with Hitler and work peace out? Was he going to do this? Was he going to do that? It started all these conspiracy stories about what had happened to uh to T. S. Lawrence. And you know, I kind of always thought he died like really quick. He didn't die until 35. I mean, he was around for a lot longer after after the war.
SPEAKER_03Churchill Lungdon. That's what I read about how Weston Churchell Lungdon. Which makes you question it.
SPEAKER_07Like, while Churchell was great, he had a really big Middle East and I think in this movie you s really see what a flawed man he is. Yes. And you know, and then he but then but then you know but then he draws back and he realizes I'm not an Arab. I'm white, I'm I'm English. You know, this is your country, you know. Uh I don't know.
SPEAKER_09It's it's and how many human beings, at least in this movie, can admit that I enjoyed killing someone.
SPEAKER_07Oh yeah. Yeah, that was pretty good. He said there there was something out there that happened that I did not like. I killed somebody and I enjoyed it. I killed two people and I enjoyed it. That was the quote from the movie.
SPEAKER_03Well, and like if you read about Lawrence himself, like he was really a masochist or as a sadist. Which is it? The one where you like to get beaten.
SPEAKER_07Sadom, yeah, S M. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Is it the same? Anyway, uh, so he did like what is the kid? No, you're fine. SM. So like he uh he did like enjoy that later in life, and like he would have somebody come and beat him every year on the anniversary of this.
SPEAKER_07Oh wow, I had heard that of this beating he got.
SPEAKER_03He got this beating, and he would every year hire someone to beat him again on the anniversary of the beating. I mean, he was a weird dude, okay?
SPEAKER_07Very weird dude.
SPEAKER_03And um, I mean, like, the other thing is is like, you know, there's like this now we're just talking about the human, um, not the movie. Because I know like why they do the movie. Because Steve, you said it like really eloquently, like how they really like teased out this idea of like what it means to be human and what it means to be a leader, and you know, these pieces, but the man himself definitely knew what the British were up to. Oh, yeah, definitely was a spy. Like, I mean, there's no doubt he was like bringing these people along, like, you know, and was very strange as he hired someone every year to beat him.
SPEAKER_07Um I had never heard that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I read that online, so it must be true.
SPEAKER_07Do you have that phone number?
SPEAKER_03Huh? The phone number where you can hire people to beat you.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, because I got a friend, Shulkers, who needs to be beat.
SPEAKER_03So uh I thought that was uh very interesting, interesting character, you know. Um but like I'm sad Sam's not here because he had listened to Behind the Bastards about Lawrence of Arabia and um the Behind the Bastards, which is one of his favorite podcasts, could not decide if Lawrence was actually a bastard or not. You know, they go through an interview, like they talk about bastards of world history.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_03And uh Sam said when he listened to it, they couldn't decide if he was really a bastard, which I thought was really interesting. RFK Jr. is a bastard. Well to give you a mark.
SPEAKER_07Ugh I go you there.
SPEAKER_03Uh Lawrence of Arabia. Lawrence of Arabia, jury is out according to that.
SPEAKER_07Well, I will I have to admit, I don't know that much about his real truth story. But I mean, you do see that in the movie from time to time. It's like when he when when uh the Omar Sharif character burns his clothes, yeah, and he like puts it on, he's no longer a British officer, and then he starts thinking like that. Then he's it's he there's one line in there, they'll have to kill me with a golden bullet.
SPEAKER_11Yeah.
SPEAKER_07You know, and he's on top of the train, like you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think it's interesting that Steve's favorite movies are Dancers with Wolves and Lawrence of Arabia. Yeah, both movies that are about someone who like appropriates like another culture.
SPEAKER_07Oh, you've just been slammed. Isn't it after I said all these nights?
SPEAKER_03What's that say about you, Steve?
SPEAKER_07Well, I mean, I love it.
SPEAKER_04I love it.
SPEAKER_07You're swimming with you're swimming with you're swimming with barracudas here, buddy. You're swimming with barracudas.
SPEAKER_11White savior.
SPEAKER_09Is it more a love story? More than a love story.
SPEAKER_10They're both it dances with Wolves definitely has that in it.
SPEAKER_03But they got some white savior in that. I loved that movie because I'm because Kevin Costner is really fine.
SPEAKER_10That was the reason. It's also it's another big epic within.
SPEAKER_09Do you like a young Denzel then too?
SPEAKER_03No, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_09Okay.
SPEAKER_03But go ahead. It was another epic.
SPEAKER_10No, it's another big epic movie with like good music and the way it shot. I mean, it's and the white man takes their clothing. That happens.
SPEAKER_09Now, I just last week during the rain, I saw Spider-Man.
SPEAKER_12So you just named your favorite two. You said your favorite two weren't my two greatest movies. Your two greatest movies.
SPEAKER_09No doubt. And I can't go, you gotta go. I can't defend myself.
SPEAKER_12No, no, I'm not asking you to fend. I I think you need that that says something. You gotta check out what that means. I don't know what it means, but it's definitely something.
SPEAKER_07Whatever it is, don't say your favorite movie is Gigi.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, Dan's favorite movie is Gigi. I don't know how you Casablanca.
SPEAKER_07You've you've known forever it's Casablanca.
SPEAKER_09I'm just looking at anybody that doesn't like me, they can push me over with a no.
SPEAKER_03I just I think I think like for your next therapy visit, say, hey, we got to talk about this. What does this mean?
SPEAKER_07I'm done with therapy.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I love therapy. I'm a big fan.
SPEAKER_07Final thoughts.
SPEAKER_03Um 79 days to election. Make sure your vote registration is up to date. That means it's what is it, 49 days to early vote? Oh, we're getting there, Katie. So close. So close. You can do a party for 79 days. You can you can do anything for 79 days. Who says that? Masochists. People that beat us.
SPEAKER_10Basically, that's what we do every day. That's what happens to us. Um, we're not that different, apparently. No, I don't have anything to add.
SPEAKER_05Southbound.
SPEAKER_10Uh not much to add.
SPEAKER_05I mean, I'm in a strange way, I'm kind of looking forward in about six months when we watch Passage to India, another David Lean epic that also deals with the British and uh, you know, one of their territories. So it'll be interesting for us to see if there's any common themes with how it's portrayed. The British did screw up the world for for a while. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when there was a comment, it wasn't focused on much at all, but uh early on in uh uh Lawrence Arabia, uh one of the characters, one of the British officers, like, you know, the Arabs are gonna win with discipline, which is like something we heard, of course, in Bridge on the River Kwai. So it'll be interesting to see if a comment like that's made in a passage in here.
SPEAKER_07And he did become Sir David Lean. He got knighted. Steve?
SPEAKER_09Uh my final thoughts. I've commented enough about the movie, but so healthy. Um, I um one of my regrets is I don't well let's forget that. Um what I really like is conversation with um men and women of different ages. The women have to be extraordinarily beautiful.
SPEAKER_07Oh man, isn't that a misogynist statement?
SPEAKER_10No, no, it isn't nice compliment.
SPEAKER_03But if I said it, it would be if you ever called me beautiful, I take it as a compliment. Has Dan Garris ever called us beautiful? No, Steve Schulger says, Thank you, Steve.
SPEAKER_09Wow, thank you and intelligent, and that's not but the conversation we need more of more women, more men, more differences in age. And this is healthy, it's really nice. Thank you. I wish I could do it more. So I can only call it.
SPEAKER_03We we say the ladies at the table say you're welcome at any time, but it is called dinner with Dan.
SPEAKER_07We can call it Supper with Steve. I I I am happy to be this my last podcast. And and it can be Supper with Steve. No, no, no. No, you have you have but you guys got to go to Centerville to do it. You haven't Paul would like it.
SPEAKER_03You're it's always on Row Avenue, Danny. Stop it.
SPEAKER_09You have a certain style that adds to this, Dan.
SPEAKER_07You'll are knowing the glue. I'm just a rodeo clown.
SPEAKER_03Dan's table.
SPEAKER_07I'm just a rodeo clown.
SPEAKER_09Thanks for my food, folks. Appreciate it.
SPEAKER_07Oh, yeah, the food was great. Now, are we at liberty to say what next week's gonna be?
SPEAKER_03What about next week?
SPEAKER_07Okay. Uh somebody's going somewhere to do something, I forget what.
SPEAKER_03Sam and I are taking it's Sam's 46th birthday.
SPEAKER_07Whoa!
SPEAKER_03And um it was my mom's birthday a few weeks ago. So my mom and dad and Sam and I are going to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and we're going to a brewer's gang, as both my mother and Sam are the biggest baseball fans I know. And Sam is collecting as he collects everything. Uh, he is collecting stadiums in addition to his states. Because you know, Sam, he counts everything. So uh he's never been to Brewer Stadium, and so that's where we're going.
SPEAKER_07For the Reds to play?
SPEAKER_03The Reds aren't playing as the Braves. Okay.
SPEAKER_09Uh Brewer's picture pitching that night.
SPEAKER_03I have no idea. You're talking to the person that just goes along for the ride for the beer.
SPEAKER_09And my I I've been up to Milwaukee and stayed up all night and watched the sunrise over Lake Michigan. But the best one I had was going through breweries and tasting the samples. And the samples make fresh are so good.
SPEAKER_03Are they?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, you have to do that.
SPEAKER_03Thank you. You want to try it out? But that's why we're off next week. Okay.
SPEAKER_07So uh next week there will be new content put up. It's going to be review of the 40s, like we did. And we've got some favorable comments back of people that listened to the 30s. They liked it. They liked it. Yep. And uh so next week there'll be new content. It'll be uh movies review of the 40s. And then after that, we're back for the block party.
SPEAKER_03No, after that we're back for Tom Jones.
SPEAKER_07Oh, that's right, Tom Jones.
SPEAKER_03And then the block party.
SPEAKER_07So it's gonna be another misogyny uh bloodfest.
SPEAKER_09I think it's pretty bad. I don't know whether I've ever eaten it.
SPEAKER_07I've never seen it. Oh, you guys are just gonna be so upset. This is gonna be a good one. Although I've recovered really well. GG2. Although I will say this. Gigi too. Oh, I will say this. If Colin first was playing Tom Jones, it would be okay with you.
SPEAKER_11Well, we'll see. I'll lead actor.
SPEAKER_07I forget. Is it Albert Finley? I yeah.
SPEAKER_03It's painful to watch Colin Fern's age, I have to say. I've been really sad about it. What do you think, Kate? I mean, he was led to my OG.
SPEAKER_10I know, I agree. Well, see, that's the difference. They're not the same. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07I I kind of like women as they age. I'm sorry. I can't believe you're an ageist like that.
SPEAKER_10It's only Colin Friend. It's just Colin Foods. That's the way he's aged.
SPEAKER_03He's not aging.
SPEAKER_07Now I've got something on Nan. She's an ageist.
SPEAKER_03That's the only thing you have on me, buddy. Like we've known each other for almost 30 years.
SPEAKER_07Well, I've got I've got my it's not a little black book with you, it's a big black book.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_07And I had to keep up, I had to keep adding more and more pages to it. So, anyhow, it's going to be the 40s. And then we'll do Tom Jones. The next week. And then the block party. Correct. And then we do three straight weeks, which is going to be Paul's favorite time because it's musical after musical after musical.
SPEAKER_03I love it.
SPEAKER_07Whose idea was this start this?
SPEAKER_03It was Danny's. Uh, this was on Virginia and Dan's bucket list was to watch the best pictures in order.
SPEAKER_07And we gotta watch them in order.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. Somebody recommended once that we watch them out of order, and that was blaspheme, according to Dan.
SPEAKER_07Well, that was the only time I really got no as it is at dinner with Dan.
SPEAKER_03And um uh and we just got like it's like a project I would never do, so I've learned so much.
SPEAKER_09How many followers would you say have?
SPEAKER_03I have no idea.
SPEAKER_09Three or four.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. We've had we've had uh over we've had 2,500 downloads, which we I think is quite a bit.
SPEAKER_04So that's great.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and it's what the best part is is that the people that listen to it, I think most everybody knows us, and so they come to the table to have dinner with us in all of our splendor.
SPEAKER_09And uh bonus for me. I got a dog, uh maybe.
SPEAKER_03Oh, exactly.
SPEAKER_07And uh let us do give a shout out to Taste of Jerusalem. Taste of Jerusalem in Fairborne, Ohio, uh, which is where uh Paul uh picked the food up for us today. It is really good. So if you're looking for good Mediterranean-based food, I we would recommend Taste of Jerusalem in Fairborne.
SPEAKER_03I can I mention one more thing too. This past week, um, you know, Crystal, we had her on the show. Her uh dad passed away, and so Kate and I did go to the funeral, and uh Paul was at the viewing uh over in Zenia. And so I know they buried him Saturday in Kentucky. So Crystal's on her way back, and we wish her the best. Um and your your uh planner was very nice, Dan. It looked very nice.
SPEAKER_09I'm glad they got there, yeah.
SPEAKER_03It looked very nice.
SPEAKER_09So please pass my condolences. I haven't seen her in many, many years.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, she's looking good. She's looking good, you know, cancer free. So we're excited about that.
SPEAKER_07Yep.
SPEAKER_03That's what I have to say.
SPEAKER_07Okay, so uh with that, I'm gonna say um we'll be uh on the air open to content next week, and it's easy and then.