Fasten your seatbelts...I am ready for my close up!?

As spring settles into Wroe Avenue, the gang really enjoyed talking about the 1950 best picture All About Eve.  There was great acting with a terrific story--and most of the table had not seen this Academy Award winning picture. Many at the table were ready to fight for Sunset Boulevard's honor--but that was before they watched Bette Davis as Margo Channing.  A great movie and excellent conversation tonight on Dinner with Dan.  Pull up a chair and join us!

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For a non-tech guy, you're pretty well versed. There we go, we're on.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

You mean we're taping it now?

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We're taping it.

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Oh, okay.

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I can cut that part out. I don't even know how to edit now. I've like really made it.

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Oh well, you can leave it on. That's the spontaneity. I love it.

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I love that about it, too. Oh my god, this is a good one.

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Okay, I would like to welcome everybody to episode 32 of uh Dinner with Dan. Uh welcome to our listeners from coast to coast, from Maine to Oregon, from Michigan to Texas, and everywhere in between. This is the 32nd episode of Dinner with Dan. Uh I'm your host, Dan Garris, for tonight. We are taping on Sunday, April 26th, 2026 from Row Avenue and dating bright and sunny about Wendy, historic Five Oaks neighborhood. Speaking of which, I do want to give a shout out to uh 213 Row and 217 Row. I did uh drive down the street yesterday.

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Oh yeah.

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And must admire. You two have the best looking uh porches, and your flowers are magnificent already this early.

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That's Kate and Sam. Everything is early this year.

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That's Kate and Sam.

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Not Nan.

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And not me either. You put the rest of the uh block to shame. You guys are really looking good. Uh tonight at the table we have uh table regulars Nan Whaley, Sam Braun, Paul Duncan Robinson, Kate Evans. Table regular Dea is on a rotary exchange student trip to New York City, Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C.

SPEAKER_05 1:57

Yes, and she saw the Great Gadsby. Whoa, nice on Broadway, and has been in New York Time, New York Square, Times Square, um, has seen the Liberty Bell, has gotten all the time.

SPEAKER_06 2:08

Oh, yeah, she was in Philadelphia.

SPEAKER_05 2:10

Yeah.

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And she took a picture of the Atlas that is in the opening scene of one of the movies. Gentlemen's Agreement. Yeah. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_05 2:21

Yeah, she took a picture of Gentleman's Agreement Atlas. I love that. It's right in front of the city.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

And then she's going to DC, right?

SPEAKER_05 2:27

Yeah, she leaves. I think she should be there today.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

I think she got there last night. Oh, very nice.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Okay. Uh, so that's where Dia is, and Eddie is busy studying for his final exams at Wright State.

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Best wishes.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

So he will not be joining us for dinner tonight. Okay, so what's for dinner tonight?

SPEAKER_05 2:48

So Sam cooked the pot the pork chops on the grill. This is a summer issue meal. Um, baked potatoes. I like to make baked potatoes in the crock pot. You just put them in and they cook all the time. Let them let them go. Some asparagus that was cooked on the grill. And then cake.

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I made a salad with some romaine and butter lettuce and strawberries and almonds and feta cheese. That's amazing looking. And a like a kind of a sweet vinaigrette. But Dan, the most important thing on the table is the martini.

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The most movie relevant.

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The inspiration from the movie.

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Yes, and I brought my fancy martini glasses. Sure. That's right. Okay.

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Martinis are not good in a can.

SPEAKER_05 3:37

Oh, it's delicious.

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For me the butter.

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The butter is right by Paul. Oh, yummy. Isn't that good? Yep. I make them extra dirty with blue cheese olives, but Paul didn't want blue cheese olive.

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No blue cheese for Paul.

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But a good summer meal day. Yeah. We'll be doing lots of grilling this summer.

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I'm looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_05 4:03

Yeah, that's how we're gonna roll the summer grilling on Sunday. Yeah. That was only grilled. My favorite way.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

I do love the asparagus.

SPEAKER_05 4:27

Alright, so that's what we have for dinner.

SPEAKER_06 4:32

Yeah, the giant. Did you eat that giant one that you had?

SPEAKER_00 4:40

Because I think that would taste like sequoia.

SPEAKER_06 4:43

Oh, I would have tried it. I would have like ribboned it up, I think. Oh god. Yeah, I think I've made this one for dinner before. It was one of my favorites.

SPEAKER_04 5:04

No. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_05 5:08

Should we move on to how everybody's weakness?

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Yeah, well that's yeah, we're done talking about the thing.

SPEAKER_05 5:13

Yeah, we're just excited to eat. Uh so okay, so my week is I think.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

Yeah, there's more butter in the refrigerator.

SPEAKER_05 5:29

I don't know what I think. I went to dinner in Columbus with some friends Monday night. That was fine.

SPEAKER_06 5:43

You were in Columbus a couple of times, right?

SPEAKER_05 5:45

I was in Columbus Friday and Saturday as well. On Saturday I spoke at healthcare for all Ohio and meeting. It was very good. I think it's really right for like universal healthcare, because everybody knows that healthcare is strategic.

SPEAKER_06 5:57

Yeah, yeah, god, it's so bad.

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So I feel like there's a rumbo cut around that. So that was good. And Saturday last night we went to Sweno with our friend Jim Nathan. And it was the best meal I've had at Sweno.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

That is an upscale Mexican like.

SPEAKER_05 6:16

Yeah, well, I had the enchiladas and the street corn. On Friday we went to Dublin, Ohio and had dinner at the Pearl. That was really good.

SPEAKER_06 6:25

Oh yeah, I like the Pearl.

SPEAKER_05 6:28

What'd you do, Sam?

SPEAKER_02 6:30

I think you cover it all those times with you.

SPEAKER_06 6:34

Well, you you didn't have Dia this week. We missed Dia. I know. I missed her too.

SPEAKER_05 6:40

We got our car back.

SPEAKER_06 6:41

Mmm. Oh, that's good. Finally fixed.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

Play tennis with Jason, and we can't seem to get anywhere on the cast. I know.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

Well, he said he has uh family duty tonight. But he didn't watch the movie with a children.

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Uh speaking of Jason Hiller, Jason and I went to the ugly ducking duckling for breakfast in St. Ann's Hill where we met we ran into uh one Nan Whaley who introduced us to Dr. Amy Ashton and uh provided us a photo op with her.

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So that was fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

Thank you, Nan.

SPEAKER_05 7:48

You're welcome. That was fun.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Yeah, for those of you not in Ohio, she's uh candidate for governor.

SPEAKER_05 7:54

Yeah, she'll be our Democratic nominee for governor.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

Which Nan was four years ago.

SPEAKER_05 7:58

Correct. Correct. So my friend Patty Yan was in town from Indiana to meet. Oh yeah, nice. So we had dinner Wednesday night with Patty and Mom and Dad at El Ma San. And then on Thursday, um, I took Patty to the ugly duckly to meet Amy. And ran into Paul and Jason.

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And El Maison is a very nice Spanish-styled restaurant in West Carol.

SPEAKER_05 8:20

I know I ate through a Dayton this week, can you tell?

SPEAKER_06 8:22

You did. All the heads.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

Um that was definitely a highlight of uh the week, uh, because the rest of it, I spent a lot of time at the curling club, as I've been saying other weeks. Uh, we're drawing down to the end, and there's still a lot of interest from people to come give it a shot.

SPEAKER_05 8:39

Nice. And are people coming back and back more?

SPEAKER_01 8:42

Yeah, actually, um, one of the groups this week, one of the guys um who organized it had been here as part of a work, um, had been here last year as part of a work group, and then you convinced other people to come. So, yeah, there is there is repeat business, and sometimes it's not it's sometimes it's just one person introducing even more of their friends to uh curling. So do you charge? Yeah, we charge um the easiest way to say is about $55 for a two-hour learn to curl. Um, you know, we we joke that we're gonna make you a curler, even though it's not gonna look like it does on TV. But uh uh pretty people have fun. I mean your money back, yeah. Um yeah, or your money back, right? Um I actually got a I actually got a compliment uh in one that one of the guys who organized his work group uh sent a complimentary email uh to the club account, which uh multiple people saw it and specifically called me out for showing them a good time. So that was nice. Yeah, that helps make it worth it.

SPEAKER_06 9:40

Yeah, you have some pepper.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

So, yep, that's my week.

SPEAKER_05 9:47

Where did the butter go now? It's spicy. Sam is like worth it.

SPEAKER_06 9:51

No, I just I laid it back down there. I forgot who needed it. Sam is a butter hoarder.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Catherine.

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Catherine Ann.

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Your turn.

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Um, it was a lot of work, um, both at work and uh for outside of work uh commitments. Frolic for funds. It was frolic for funds. Um you seem like a better minute now that frolic for funds. Now that it's over, I feel a lot better because it's over. And you know, I don't really have an obligation to continue as part of the planning committee anymore. I filed my second to last uh finance reports as the treasurer of the party this week. Who's gonna be the new I d I don't know, but not you. You've done your term. I've done my term. I've you know, I feel good about where I'm leaving things, and uh congrats. I think it's you for your service. Thank you. It's one of those things I've been telling people, and I I truly believe it. Um, these positions should turn over, and like people shouldn't camp out in these sorts of positions forever. And it's you know, no matter who the next chair is, especially when it's a treasurer, like it's good for the organization to like have new people looking at the bank account.

SPEAKER_03 11:17

That's a good point.

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So yeah, no matter who the next chair person uh chairperson is, I will not be serving as treasurer, but we'll gladly help the new person transition transition. So yeah, so those things are kind of getting off my plate, and that feels good. That's helpful. So yeah, it was really kind of a a boring week. I had a massage yesterday, which is lovely.

SPEAKER_05 11:42

You always in better moving out of massage.

SPEAKER_06 11:44

Oh once a month. I I'd go weekly if I could afford it.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

Uh for those listeners who aren't from Montgomery County, uh Frolic for Funds is the annual Montgomery County Democratic Party big uh dinner fundraiser. And Catherine is ending up her four-year term as uh Montgomery County Democratic Party treasurer. That is correct. That's what it committed.

SPEAKER_06 12:14

Yes, it's I'm happy to have done it and glad to be passing it along.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

I'm happy for you.

SPEAKER_06 12:24

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 12:25

I I just got today's photos from Dia. She was at the uh Jefferson Memorial, Lincoln Memorial, Arlington National Cemetery, uh FDR. Wow. And uh seeing it all. Oh they're on the move.

SPEAKER_06 12:45

I forgot how trips are when you're that age, or like when you take a school trip, you're just like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

SPEAKER_02 12:52

Oh, they're exhausted every night.

SPEAKER_06 12:54

I'm sure you can tell. I am sure.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

Well, did she walk 15 kilometers one day? She sent us her steps.

SPEAKER_06 13:02

Nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Yeah, when does she get back?

SPEAKER_06 13:04

Tuesday.

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Tuesday.

SPEAKER_05 13:08

So, Danny, what'd you do this weekend, this week?

SPEAKER_00 13:13

Okay. Well, um, my elevator. Yeah. Uh the long-awaited elevator. Uh the salesman was here two days before Thanksgiving. Uh, so it's been a work in progress for quite a while. Um the uh the people that needed to start on it showed up with the uh with the material with the elevator on Monday morning and uh started working on it. And they worked on it Monday for a while. Then they worked on it Tuesday for a while, then they worked on it Wednesday for a while.

SPEAKER_06 14:02

When you say for a while, like how long is that?

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Then they worked on it Thursday for a while.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Dan, were you distracting them?

SPEAKER_00 14:11

Say what?

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Were you distracting distracting them?

SPEAKER_00 14:14

No. I was out in this room uh reading a book. Stay out of their way. Yeah, trying to stay out of the way. And then Friday I was wondering, well, okay, maybe it'll get done. But uh it got done. And um so uh I got Marty down here, and Eddie was home from work uh because I wanted them to be my uh backup so everybody knows how everything works. And so I get to take my first ride up, and it stops halfway up and it won't move.

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You're stuck in the walls. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

And eventually the head installer gets me down, then he gets on and starts adjusting this and adjusting that and adjusting everything else, and it goes up and down for him. So I get in it and I go up really nice and quiet, smooth ride. I go down really nice and quiet, a smooth ride. Then I go up again, nice and quiet, smooth ride, and I come down, nice and quiet, smooth ride. And I think, okay, good.

SPEAKER_06 15:23

You're in business.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

I have gone up my stairs and down my stairs all 17 steps on on all fours for the last time. Eddie and I go to Frolic for funds. We come home. Uh we both have to go to the bathroom. Eddie said, I'll go upstairs so you can stay downstairs. Eddie rides the elevator up, gets to the top floor, door won't open. Oh no. He has to use the emergency release to get the door open. Gets the door open. The elevator won't move since then.

SPEAKER_06 16:00

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

So it has been stuck up on the fur up on the second floor. And of course, you know, it's the weekend.

SPEAKER_06 16:08

Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

So ain't nobody coming. And I have a bet with Marty that uh they probably it'll probably be another 10 days till they get somebody up here to uh to fix it. To say I am to say I am least than amused is kind of an understatement.

SPEAKER_06 16:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Uh all told it's about $42,000 with the the elevator and cutting the hole in the floor. Uh but you know, as Marty said, if you get two more years here, that's two years at a nursing home, and then, you know, it'll pay for itself. Um so anyhow, I'm sitting there when we realize that, you know, we're not going to be able to get it working. And I start reading the annual the manual. Uh and it talks about that it's uh rated for 255 kilograms or 40 stones. And I'm like, okay. And I keep reading, and it says you should clean the rails uh every fortnight. And I'm like, I'm reading a damn Jay Austen novel.

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Hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

So I flip to the back and I realize that that's not an elevator, that's a lift from England.

SPEAKER_06 17:30

Oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

But it's not from England, it's from the United Kingdom. As in Northern Ireland, United Kingdom. It's Belfast. And as we all know, Belfast has made a lot of stuff, including the Titanic, the unsinkable ship. And now I've got an L I've got a lift, excuse me, rated for 40 stones that I have to clean every fourth night that's stuck up on my second floor. And it's from Belfast. So I now realize that there's a spiritual world that has intervened here.

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I know what's going on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

My late beloved wife, Virginia Maud Platt, who I missed every day and I talked to every morning and every night. She was adamant, vehement against putting an elevator in.

SPEAKER_06 18:35

Yeah.

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She said, no way I'm gonna put an elevator in. So when we decided for a variety of reasons to put the elevator in, the best place for it resulted in taking out her closet in the bedroom. So not only did she not want the elevator, took out her closet. And as the Platt family knows, they came to America because the Protestants had burned them out of Belfast.

SPEAKER_06 19:10

Yeah. I put a Belfast elevator in. Her closet.

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Everybody has asked me what I'm gonna call the elevator, and I have the name. Virginia's Revenge. My new van, I call the Silver White Buffalo, which is a little known Richard Harris song. And the elevator, excuse me, the lift shall henceforth be known as Virginia's Revenge.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

Now for the sake of the story, I hope that we call it.

SPEAKER_05 19:46

But you don't want to call that.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

Because I'm not done. Which very I can imagine for the foreseeable future. If we get the door open on it. I'll just probably store boxes in it. Okay, Paul, you may speak now.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

I hope for the sake of the story, when the installers come back to repair it, they say they've never seen this happen before. Because that would give credence to the revenge from the beyond.

SPEAKER_05 20:15

Yeah, Polly.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Um, that's what I did. And then I had a fun time at Frog for Fun. And I had um I missed legacy Friday because of the lift getting put in, but I was able to go out Saturday, had a nice time Saturday. And then today I was very excited for Friend of the Podcast, uh Tom Archdeacon's great article in the paper sports section today about uh my dear friend Steve Stalkers and the uh pictures he had taken of secretariat at the 1973 uh Kentucky Derby. So, anybody that's listening, if you can go on the internet and read that article, it's really, really good. Uh Tom did a sweet job on uh Steve and the whole great show uh story about him with his uh stepladder leaning out over the the rail and taking a shot of Secretariat running by.

SPEAKER_05 21:16

Lovely.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

A great photo.

SPEAKER_05 21:19

Mm-hmm. Lovely. Good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

Yep. So, anyhow. There you go.

SPEAKER_05 21:28

That's your week. That's my week. Like, let's hope the elevator, the lift, comes back to you.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

That's the lift. Yeah. Next week. It's rated for 40 stones. You can look up. And do you know what a fortnight is?

SPEAKER_06 21:42

A fortnight is two weeks. Two weeks.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

Two weeks. So I've got to get a micro rag and clean the rails every fortnight. And I can't be over 40 stones.

SPEAKER_05 21:57

Fortnight.

SPEAKER_06 21:57

It's fortnight. When you say fortnight. Fortnight. People are thinking you have to do this every four days. Fort fortnight is two weeks.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

I've been fact checked.

SPEAKER_06 22:09

Fortnight. Uh-huh. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 22:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:15

That's a week.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

So yep, that's my week. Oh, and the gutter people, another work in progress. Everything's a work in progress in this place.

SPEAKER_05 22:26

Maintenance is hard.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

They came Tuesday after being gone for two weeks and fixed where the rod and wood was. But then they left. Say what?

SPEAKER_06 22:38

560 pounds. A stone's 14 pounds.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 22:43

So that's your weight limit, man.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

Well, the sticker says 500 pounds.

SPEAKER_05 22:50

Well, okay. 14 pounds.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

That would be mechanism. You can use assembles. Just like Virginia to have me get it bigger and then not work again. So anyhow.

SPEAKER_03 23:03

Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

So I've got the wood's been replaced for the gutter. But the big long stretch of gutter is still in my backyard. Which our neighborhood guy Art, God bless him, who cuts my yard and uh Eddie's yard and everybody else's yard is mowing around it. At least he's not mowing over it, so I'm happy about that. So hopefully, maybe this week, the elevator will go up and down. Let's say I might be hesitant about going up in it if nobody else is in the house. One of the things that the tech guy did say to me when he left was never get on this without your cell phone.

SPEAKER_06 23:51

Wow. Those are words to live by.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

Words to live by.

SPEAKER_06 23:55

I mean, I would just I would recommend just like, you know, people who find themselves on their own.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 24:02

That's just a good rule of thumb.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

I think the proper term, given the British infants we're doing, is that you think don't get on without your mobile.

SPEAKER_06 24:09

That's right. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

Make sure you use the loo first.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

And the keep calm and carry on.

SPEAKER_06 24:20

That's right. Pop in the loo, then get on the left.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

There you go. And Nan says I got it. I got it. You got some salad here now. I'm old.

SPEAKER_05 24:33

Isn't that salad good though?

SPEAKER_00 24:35

Old people.

SPEAKER_06 24:37

Well, please keep it.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

You know, they do make adult bibs, so I know my daddy wears them some. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:45

There's extra, there's another potato in there if anybody wants more potatoes. Oh no, that's I have to do it. Two jobs.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Okay. So there you go. That's we've caught up everybody around the country on our life. So now I guess we're going to move on to the movie.

SPEAKER_05 25:07

Oh, the movie.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Okay. This is now our 22nd movie, I believe. Amazing. That we've watched. Anne's counting quick.

SPEAKER_05 25:19

22nd. This will be the 23rd.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

This is a 23rd movie. So it's the 23rd best picture.

SPEAKER_05 25:25

That's great, isn't it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:29

All about Eve. Okay. And I'm going to redo, this is real quick. In one of her sharpest, truest, and most sophisticated titillating performances.

SPEAKER_03 25:45

Titillating.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

Screen legend Betty Davis plays state stage legend Margot Channing. But as Margot's star is Demming, Eve Harrington, played by Ann Baxter, a young, ambitious Ingeline. Did we pronounce it right? French Snop. Okay, Angeneh becomes her all-too-willing protege. I know that one.

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Protege. Slowly this protege.

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Slowly, this dreamy-eyed kid spins a deceptively cunning web around Channing's early inner circle, including Margot's director boyfriend, Bill Simpson, played by Gary Merrill, playwright Lloyd Richard, played by Hugh Marlowe, and his wife Karen, played by Celeste Holme, until she reaches her end goal, Margot's Spotlight on Broadway. Now, uh this is the best picture of 1950. And in 1950, we like to tell everybody what it was up against for Best Picture. Oh yeah. It was up against Sunset Boulevard.

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Which is another I'm ready for my Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up.

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Born Yesterday.

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Joan Crawford.

SPEAKER_06 27:06

Which is a that's a really good movie, too. Comedy.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

Yeah, Born Yesterday. Yeah. Father of the Bride.

SPEAKER_05 27:14

Oh God, these were great movies.

SPEAKER_00 27:17

And King Solomon's Minds.

SPEAKER_05 27:19

Don't know that one.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

Okay. I don't know that one either. And I know a lot of that. Did win six Oscars. Best picture. Supporting actor George Sanders, who played Andeson. Andison DeWitt. And if you remember, he was in Rebecca.

SPEAKER_06 27:36

Who was he in Rebecca? He was the flamboyant the rival sort of. Oh, yeah, the dude. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:44

He was in Rebecca. Costume design.

SPEAKER_05 27:48

I agree. The dresses were great.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Directing directing for Joseph Manowitz. Joseph Mankowitz. Sound recording. And screenplay for Joseph Mankowitz. It was also had uh nominated Best Actress Betty Davis and Ann Baxter, which probably split the vote, which meant that Betty Davis was deprived basically of her third Oscar. And late in life, Ann Baxter, who at the time insisted that she be nominated for Best Actor, Actress, admitted that she probably made a mistake. However, and all these things that I've watched, Manowitz always believed that Anne Baxter had the toughest role to play in the movie.

SPEAKER_03 28:36

Really?

SPEAKER_00 28:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

The Eve character was up to it.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

The Eve character was the toughest role to play. From charming little sweetheart to turn.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

Turn on a darn. Yeah. But like, what a oh.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Well, anyhow, let me keep going. And she also, and it was also, they were nominated for Best Supporting Actress, Celeste Holmes, and Thelma Ritter, who was absolutely magnificent.

SPEAKER_06 29:01

She's so good.

SPEAKER_05 29:01

She's a big housekeeper, wrestler, housekeeper.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:05

She was great.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

And uh it I believe, I think this is right, even though uh uh Zanik, who was the producer or the head of the studio at the time, had fired Marilyn Monroe two years earlier. He hired her back, and I think this might have been her first movie. If not her first movie, she first appears in this movie at the play scene, which is kind of interesting. Uh just as an aside so I don't forget this, there's one line she has when she admires the Sable coat.

SPEAKER_06 29:39

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

She goes, uh Sable, Gable, I don't care, they're both the same, meaning Clark Gable. Interestingly enough, Marilyn Monroe and Clark Gable's last movies they made was Misfits that they were both in in 1962. I think it was 62. Gable died like two weeks after the movie finished filming, and then Marilyn Monroe not long after that. So I thought that was interesting, that you know uh that connection there all those years.

SPEAKER_05 30:12

Yeah, that's interesting to say we'll be here.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

Okay, so uh just a couple more things. I'm gonna turn it over to you guys.

SPEAKER_05 30:19

Uh I want to say Kate should go first on this one. You go first yourself.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 30:24

I hate always going first. Yeah. We should miss it all. Slap device.

SPEAKER_06 30:28

Does the rule master style? This uh he's ignoring because that's a classic. Yes, go go on. Must be the martini.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

Are we doing Mutiny on the Bounty again?

SPEAKER_06 30:48

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Okay. This was based on a short story that appeared in Cosmo entitled The Wisdom of Eve. And you know, I like to buy the DVDs. Well, this I have watched uh All About Eve twice. Once with Jason and Sam and Nan without the commentary. Then I watched it with the commentary by one of Mankowitz's uh sons and Celeste Home. Uh and then I also, this DVD had two CD or had two DVDs in it. And the second DVD has a tremendous number of little uh like 15-minute things. And it has about the real Eve. And there was a really Eve. A real Eve. A really Eve. It was uh Elizabeth Berger, who was a very well-known actress on the stage, and then there was another young woman named Mary Orr, who wrote uh The Wisdom of Eve. And then the young woman who is Eve was named Martina Lawrence. And she was a real woman who actually stood outside in the in the alley by the Schubert Theater, which is by Sartes, where you guys went with SUFs way back when. Uh, and it was loosely based on that. Well, uh, then Mackowitz had read it. Uh he got uh they paid uh Mary Orr only $5,000 for the film rights.

SPEAKER_05 32:27

So this wasn't like the Margaret Mitchell gun with the pen performance.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

This was a short story in Cosmo. They got $5,000 for the head rights or for the for the movie rights. And what is fascinating with this uh thing in my DVD is they finally got uh Lawrence, who was allegedly Eve, and Orr, who wrote the story together as elderly women at Sardi's and they tape recorded it.

SPEAKER_05 33:01

Did you listen to it?

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Cat fight supprae. Oh man. You came at me with a butter knife, I didn't either, you bitch. I'll never talk to you again. I mean, it is effing awesome. It is effing awesome. And so anyhow. So that that is worth barred on this DVD to listen to. I mean, that cassette is just and the guy who took it is doing the commentary, like, oh yeah, it was something, you know, what a catfight it is. I don't think long, because they pretty much got into each other's face, yeah. Mary said it was all fiction, and uh uh Martina said no, you you you ruined my career by doing all this. Wow but uh before we go on, and this is gonna stun everybody, not only our dear listeners, but everybody sitting here at the table, uh I do want to say this other thing that I found out about. We all know about the Ofgeajar. Yeah. Okay? Yes, yes, and we know what the Ofge jar is for. Yes. Okay. Well, in one of these specials that are on my DVD, one of the Mac Mekkowitz uh boys uh talks about his father, who uh did not like language, you know. Yeah, the director. The director, the director and the writer. He also wrote it. He wrote this the play, the screenplay. Uh so he didn't want to do sex scenes, he didn't like, you know, cussing or anything else. Loretta Young, who was an actress, very well-known actress, she apparently got tired of all the cuss words and everything on the stage, or on the sounds stage and everything. So she would carry around a little box. And when someone would say a bad word, she would go up to them and say, put some money in. And the the kid doesn't remember how much it was. But the story is she walked by uh Menkowitz Joe, you know, doing a uh table read or whatever, and he had said something, and she took offense to it and walked over and said, You need to put money in the box. To which he allegedly said, Loretta, how much would I have to put in the box to say to you, go fuck yourself? So I am going to find myself five dollars.

SPEAKER_03 35:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

It is the only time that I plan on finding myself five dollars for the Virginia Mod Platte Empowerment Fund. When I heard that, I had to pause it and run it back three or four times to make sure I got it right. So indeed, this is a Hollywood bass podcast.

SPEAKER_05 35:56

I love it. That's a great story.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

What would the price be if like a subscription to say the F word, Dan? Like if you said it you paid a certain amount per month, you just get like you just pay in advance.

SPEAKER_06 36:08

Pay in advance. Like, do you see that? No, because Sam will want to do that, so let's not go there. This is five dollars no matter what.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Yeah, looking for a better deal.

SPEAKER_06 36:16

So, anyhow, if $20 got you five. Five for twenty. Five for twenty.

SPEAKER_00 36:25

Well, then I'm gonna let you guys start talking because I gotta finish eating, and then I've got a lot more notes to bring in.

SPEAKER_05 36:31

You do are gonna bring them up later? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Kate, is she? Oh, move the mic towards you now.

SPEAKER_06 36:37

I I love this movie. I think it's so great, and so I mean, it's like lots of dialogue, right? And great lines. And one of the most famous cinematic lines, fasten your seat belts, is going to be a bumpy night. Yes as she's on her way to getting absolutely blitzed on martinis. Um what I mean, it's so good from the beginning of this woman, Eve, how quickly she gets herself involved in these people's lives and makes herself indispensable to them. What a ta like, what a manipulation.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

Well, just a minute.

SPEAKER_06 37:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:22

Let me interject this.

SPEAKER_06 37:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

Only to be rivaled by Nan Whaley. When as an 18-year-old, she got off the bus, and two years later she had the keys to Montgomery County dumber tried to capitulate.

SPEAKER_06 37:34

Oh my god. Not even close to the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

Steve Whaley.

SPEAKER_06 37:40

Oh my god, not even close to the same thing. Ow. She was, I mean I meant that lovingly. Oh, okay. Oh boy. Oh, okay. She's gonna usurp somebody. Well, I it I will go on to say it doesn't seem like that is meant lovingly, because this woman, Eve Harrington, is uh what a conniver. I mean, she just it's it's unbelievable how like blatantly ambitious she is, and how it takes, you know, it's like they start to see it. And of course the women see it first. The men are more uh like willing to just let it keep going. Like, oh, isn't she so sweet? And oh, she's just they keep calling her a kid, and it's interesting because you know, the women, um Margo and uh Celeste Holmes character, they like pretty quickly start saying, they're the ones saying she's not a child, she is a woman, she is a young woman, but she is a woman, she's not a kid. Like, she knows, she has agency here. This is like more than what you realize, but the guys just keep going on like, oh, she's just an a kid that wants to be like on the stage. Wow. I love this movie, I think it's great. I think all the characters I think uh George Sanders, he plays such a good uh like snide character, um the theater critic, Addison DeWitt. Um this has a lot of great names, I think. Um but yeah, I what's amazing to me is that she ends up reaching this pinnacle that she like connived her way to, right? But she didn't manage to break these other people apart. It looked like it was gonna be close, and like there's a period of time in the movie where you think like, oh man, she really is a tornado, like just break up two relationships. Exactly. And like the fact that it didn't happen, I think is really interesting. And then the fact that she gets what she wants and it feels so empty to her right away. So I think it it says a lot about what you know the cost of ambition and like achieving the goal, um, and you know, how you do it matters too. So yeah, but it's a great movie. Um I I really enjoy this movie. One of your favorites. Probably I mean, maybe I never really think about it as like one of my favorites, but it's really good, and I do, I do enjoy it. And then how what a great ending. She comes back after the award show Eve comes back, and she's in a snit, and then she walks into her uh little apartment, and there's this young girl sitting there who's weasel her way in Phoebe, ugh, so good. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, I I think it's great.

SPEAKER_01 41:04

I enjoyed them I enjoyed the movie, but the one negative I'll say is I wasn't really as interested in the plot. I thought the performances were really strong, and I think the the folks who wrote it, directed it, produced it, I think they really do like the stage, right? So many, so many of the actors, you know, still had stage backgrounds, even in, you know, up until 1950. But I almost didn't really seem to care about the characters, but I really thought the performances were strong. I really like uh the character of Karen Celeste Holm. I I think she was my favorite character. Um because she's not, I mean, she's involved but not directly involved. We see that initially as she uh you know introduces herself as somebody who's like a stage um, you know, by marriage or some phrase like that. I also thought the use of the voiceovers was pretty interesting because it's not a single narrator, so you get multiple voiceovers, which I thought was a yeah, interesting device. Um what else? The uh the uh oh, we see the scene um where uh it must be Margot and Bill, like they're in a bedroom, but we see like an early scene where they have separate beds. No, that was Linda. Oh, Linda, sorry, sorry. Karen, yeah, Karen and Lord. Karen, my favorite character. Karen and Lloyd. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 42:13

And they both have phones, by the way. Yeah, they both have phones. Yeah, they're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

Yeah, they're like 90 degree angles, yeah. So I know we've talked on the podcast before about uh the code and things, so um is another example of that.

SPEAKER_05 42:27

Yeah, a lot of celebrate the year that they get together beds.

SPEAKER_01 42:34

But uh a lot of smoking in the movie. I did that's that that's like the one thing I did go look up. I was like, when did you know what was like the peak of smoking rates? And it was a little after that, but not much.

SPEAKER_06 42:43

I mean Betty Davis was a notorious smoker. I mean, she was like in real life, yeah. In real life, she always had a cigarette, and like there are actors like that too that they're they always had a cigarette in their hands, like she was one of them.

SPEAKER_01 42:59

I mean the estimate was is something like between 40-45% of adults in the United States were smoking around that time. Oh yeah. Yeah. What is it now? It's below 10% now. Yeah, it's 7-9 or something, yeah. So anyway, yeah, I I enjoyed the movie. I just uh it just seemed a little the plot just seemed a little bit in insular, but I think there was just the way they shot it, I think the acting was strong. Um in a thing, you know, Kate mentioned, you know, the relationship that you know it held, which is not always what we see in you know in these movies. So I think they just had a different take on some of these um similar what looked to be almost similar plots. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

Paul just mentioned something that I'm going to interject. And the uh the specials that I watched on it. That's been one of the the people that are film critics, you know, that have studied this stuff inside and out. That was one of the criticisms they had. Of Joseph Mankowitz's um being a director, that he was not a visual director.

SPEAKER_03 44:07

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 44:08

And what you just said that goes to, you know, for Mankowitz, they said an action scene was somebody walking into a door, opening the door and walking in.

SPEAKER_06 44:20

It definitely was that kind of movie. I mean, it felt very like a theater, you know, just like a a theater kind of movie, right? And like, in a good way. But it's a lot of dialogue, it's not a lot of action, per, you know, as we would think of action, or but like, yeah, I that's which is interesting because he was Hollywood. Yeah, he wasn't a stage guest.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

He wanted to be theater, yeah. But he was Hollywood through and through. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

And there's a scene at the end, right? I mean, when after Phoebe gets introduced, like the the next Eve, right? And she says to Eve, like, oh, you're going to Hollywood, because right, I mean, I guess that would have been the expected path for somebody successful um to go into Hollywood. But it was it was kind of nice that that really wasn't part of the movie, that that it really was contained, you know, to the stage scene. The when when I said the movie was Insular, I I guess when we've seen other movies like um Zigfield Follies or the Great Zigfeld, excuse me, or um Broadway Melody, I mean there just seemed to be more at stake in those productions. There was, you know, that there you could tell there's other people involved, there's other people that you know that the extras would be affected by it, where we don't really see much on the stage, and so it's these these main characters which helps give the strong performance. Um, but it's almost like, well, there doesn't seem to be much at stake here beyond just these characters, but uh it was enjoyable to watch, high production value. Sam Braun.

SPEAKER_02 45:48

Well, I wanted to be critical of it because it beat up Sunset Bullets.

SPEAKER_00 45:54

Go ahead and be critical of it.

SPEAKER_06 45:57

And I I do too. I I think it's a great movie.

SPEAKER_02 46:00

This movie was great, though. Yeah, and it's simple that both of them kind of have similar themes about fame. Yeah. Very yeah, you know, the fleeting nature of fame.

SPEAKER_00 46:15

You get Oh, just I thought it was already cut in half, just the whole thing will be.

SPEAKER_05 46:29

That's the difference.

SPEAKER_02 46:30

Well, does does she?

SPEAKER_05 46:33

Or she wants some of her terms. No, she wants to be famous always. I think that I think the uh Margot Channing character is a more evolved character. While the um what's the lady's name? What's the Joan Crawford canon? Desmond Howard Desmond Desmond. No, uh Norma Desmond. Norma Norma Desmond. And it's Gloria Swanson. Gloria Swanson plays her. Oh, I thought it was Normaford. Norma Desmond. Norma Desmond, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:58

Norma Desmond, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:59

It's not Joan Crawford. Why do I always think it's Joan Crawford?

SPEAKER_06 47:03

Because there's a lot of scene chewing and Joan Crawford. She's a scene chewer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:08

Well, any anyway, not here to analyze that movie.

SPEAKER_06 47:12

Well, I I'm talking about that. No, I mean, I thought the same thing. There's a lot of similar themes between the two.

SPEAKER_02 47:21

Um Sunset Boulevard, uh it's I don't know, it's uh I think it's a little darker. This one's way darker. This one though, it it's funny too. Oh, yeah. Like you you enjoy it. I mean you you enjoy uh the characters, you enjoy the lines, you enjoy her getting drunk at the party. So it's it's uh it's more lighthearted. Um interesting what you said about the director not not wanting to do a like a sex scene or anything like that because they always just leave all of it implied, don't they? Absolutely. Right? Um and what there there's a scene where she's gotten another woman to make a call for, and then they're walking up the stairs in each other's arms. Yeah. So that seemed like pretty you know, they don't continue, they just drop cut it there. That seemed kind of risque for 19 and 15.

SPEAKER_05 48:15

Why why was she risky? She was like, it was just a neighbor that was making a call to ring, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 48:19

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 48:21

I don't think so. I don't think so either.

SPEAKER_02 48:23

I'd take it that way. Oh, I did.

SPEAKER_06 48:25

I didn't. No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

I I took it as like a let's say you if you were to listen to Well, and one of the things that I listen to, yeah, uh, there's two very suggestive scenes. That scene where they lock arms and walk up to the room they share, and the last scene with Phoebe, where she says to Phoebe, well, you'll spend the night.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I didn't think about it in the last scene.

SPEAKER_06 49:00

But you know, Betty Davis says that to her too. I mean, Margot Channing does the same thing, like, where like she suddenly is living in her house, right? In the room at the top of the house or whatever she says.

SPEAKER_05 49:14

Like, but it's not like the same thing. I guess it's not the same.

SPEAKER_02 49:17

Uh yeah. I didn't take it to be that way.

SPEAKER_05 49:21

Well, thank you for picking up the lesbian undertones. I missed them.

SPEAKER_06 49:24

There you go.

unknown 49:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:27

Well, though, yeah, it was definitely more than a neighbor making that call.

SPEAKER_05 49:32

Oh, I completely missed that. But I believe you.

SPEAKER_02 49:34

Well, and then all the with all the with all the men around her, too, it's always implied that something's going on, but you never actually uh go into it. I like how they kept her sweet and innocent until I think it's the scene in the bathroom where like she just like snaps snaps on a dime and then suddenly like, oh, there there she really is. Yeah. So I I enjoyed that. And uh, yeah, just uh an excellent movie.

SPEAKER_04 50:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 50:11

I completely missed the lesbian overtones. Rebecca and Rebecca had lesbian overtones too, and I missed that too.

SPEAKER_06 50:19

Well with the maid, or the housekeeper. Yeah. Um, I loved Betty Davis. I know. So great. So great.

SPEAKER_05 50:31

Um, okay, A, her dresses are superb. The outfits, excellent. The way that they wore those outfits with like the like kind of elongated her neck, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:42

They got the Oscar for that.

SPEAKER_05 50:43

Oh man, great outfits. Agreed. Um, and yeah, like I mean, her face is so dramatic and so excellent. I love the scene where they've decided she and Bill are getting married or whatever his name is, and she calls him groom. Yeah. I love that. Um I love the theme of um fighting so hard to get what you want, and it's empty when you get it. And and like while we're tough on Eve, as we should be. I mean, I think that was like the point of the character. I I really appreciated like the um the Margot Channing character, like I'm 40, right? You know, I'm at the I'm at the end of the game here because looks are what matter, yeah. Young is what matters on the stage. And um, like, you know, like really not figuring like figuring out what else there is in life. I thought that I thought that uh Betty Davis did a great job in that that part of the movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:45

Oh, because she does say, like, you know, when I get married, I don't have to be on the stage anymore. I can go live my life.

SPEAKER_05 51:50

Right, I'm just gonna go do the which I thought was interesting too because um like it was like an interesting piece because it wasn't like when I have children, it wasn't when, you know, it wasn't like the full like being female that you normally hear in this era, but like, you know, still like this real need to have like be coupled, which I thought was interesting. So I loved I loved like that back and forth. I love like her um self-consciousness about dating a younger man. Uh-huh. I love that. I thought that was like all pretty like for 1950, I was like, oh, okay, like this is some good stuff. Um there was one scene we were talking about Mankowitz and like reflecting on the conversation here about Mankowitz being somebody that if you walk through the door, that's action. There is one pretty dramatic scene where uh is his name Bill or is that his name in real life? The the boyfriend.

SPEAKER_06 52:43

The boyfriend. It's yeah, it's Bill. Bill Simpson.

SPEAKER_05 52:46

Yeah, Bill when he when he like shoves her on the bed and is like, I love you. You know, that was like, you know, yeah, pretty tough handling, I thought. Like I was like thinking like that, and I like noticed it because you're right, the rest of the movie was a lot of walking and talking.

SPEAKER_01 53:03

In a way, it seemed very theatrical because it takes place on a stage, yeah. And it's almost like it was overdramatized almost like as a parallel to being stage actor.

SPEAKER_05 53:12

Yeah, that's true too. Um and like I also like the line where you know the channing character knows what he's doing. Like she's like the the Selma knows first, yeah, uh, Margot knows second, and um poor Linda, slow going. Um Karen of Karen, yeah. Why do I keep on calling her Linda? Karen slow going, and so then um when that that scene where she where he throws her on the bed and she says, he says she says something like, Well, you're not a woman. I just thought that was such a great line. She had so many good lines and she just delivers them so well. Um, I I loved it. Then I also loved the the part where basically uh Addison declares, like, oh no, you belong to me. You belong to me. Yeah, that's a powerful. Also like a throwing of the bed there, too. Like she throws herself on the bed and it's like um you belong to me because you know you have no power to love. Like you are incapable of love. So therefore, like me, he says, like me, you're incapable to love. So you belong to me. So I thought that was like a you know how she will because and that's why Addison probably also thinks like she's the best there is, right? Because she has this ability just to do whatever it takes to get to be the best, to become somebody else to be get to be the best in this thing, and like they're sitting on those stairs and they start talking about what it takes, and like how she is like Eve is like enamored by like I would do you could just get it, like she would do whatever she would kill somebody for this thing. And and so I think both not only the Harrington character, but also the Channing character, like finding it hollow. I thought that was like they both find fame and success hollow. Yeah. The other interesting thing I thought about this is 1950, you got these two great movies, because you know, the Sunset Boulevard and All About Eve, centered around women. Yeah, like you know, this is a very that's strong women characters, stories about women where it's like the women are actually well less so in Sunset Boulevard, but definitely in this one, I think this is one of the reasons why I really liked this movie so much. The women have so much agency in this movie. Like they are defining what happens, even if they make wrong moves, and I loved that. I mean, like, you know, because they're we're gonna go through decades here where there will not be many female centered com uh stories, or it will be like something that has happened to the woman. And I did not know that about this movie, that this movie was gonna be so uh centered around the female character. So I like loved it. I thought it was just such a delight. Didn't know much about it besides that Betty Davis was in it. Um have never really watched a Betty Davis movie, and just like now I know why she was considered such a boss, like just uh incredible, incredible movie. Those are my thoughts on it.

SPEAKER_06 56:16

Right, Dan.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 56:19

You're up. Do you disagree with anything I said, Danny?

SPEAKER_00 56:24

Oh no, in no particular order. Uh uh. Okay. Um with all the different things that I've watched. Um, you know, we have uh run into the Mankelwitz family before. Oh we have? Uh Herman. Yeah, his brother.

SPEAKER_05 56:43

What did Herman do?

SPEAKER_00 56:44

Uh he was also a director.

SPEAKER_05 56:46

What did he do? What did he direct in? Well we've seen it.

SPEAKER_00 56:49

Um he got uh because he's a I think he's a two-time Oscar winning director.

SPEAKER_06 56:56

Well, here, let's take a look.

SPEAKER_00 56:59

Herman.

SPEAKER_06 57:00

I know that's gonna take me a minute. Um keep on going there.

SPEAKER_01 57:06

I thought I wrote I thought I wrote it down, but certainly we've seen the producer before, Zanek. Yeah, he was my valley.

SPEAKER_05 57:16

Um produced by Zanek, and that's at the beginning of the movie. Yeah. I thought that was. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 57:21

Well, Herman Mankowitz uh with Orson Wells with the screenplay for Susan Kane. Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_00 57:30

And actually, the thought is that it was mostly Mankowitz that did it, and and Orson Wells just uh bumrushed his way in. I think there was a lawsuit over it, or eventually Wells agreed to give him half billing, but then Mankowitz somehow down the road got total billing for it. Yeah, it was Citizen Kane.

unknown 57:52

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

So, anyhow, there's that brother rivalry, which I thought was interesting. Uh the um, so and that was you know part of what they talked about, the the Citizen Kane versus uh All About Eve and the and the conflict between the brothers and everything. Um I'm having a little more about TV because anybody else's and that uh Joe McInwitz was never part of the New York uh uh city theater screen. He wanted to be, but you know, his script was so dead on with uh thank you the uh the New York City theater screen that it was, you know, maybe it's best that you write about something that you're not part of. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:38

Okay, although I did read when I was doing this that the theater go the theater centers were like, this is not how the theater is stuck. Of course.

SPEAKER_01 58:48

Well the part that was probably accurate was going out and having dinner, because we saw that in like Broadway melodies, you know, like the late night dinners.

SPEAKER_05 58:54

Oh, the late night dinners are so true. Like that's I mean, when you go, like even when you go to London, understand that like there's the last the last shoot like 11 o'clock. I mean, we have a lot of late night dinners just going to the show.

SPEAKER_00 59:05

Now, apparently, and this is gonna fit in with what you said. Oh Mankowitz, Joseph Mankowitz, was very interested in the psyche of women. Oh uh, he also did uh directed uh Letters to Three Wives.

SPEAKER_06 59:22

The Letter to Three Wives. That's an interesting movie, too.

SPEAKER_00 59:26

And uh it was originally Letter to Four Wives, but it was too long.

SPEAKER_06 59:30

And he kind of got a wife.

SPEAKER_00 59:32

Well, kind of figured out, and Zanek called him up and said, You gotta lose a wife. Lose a wife. I heard that in like two or three of the different commentaries.

SPEAKER_06 59:42

That's funny.

SPEAKER_00 59:46

Uh so anyhow, uh he was very female-oriented in trying to understand women. So he uh uh had the script looked at by uh to get psychoanalyzed about how women think.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:03

Really?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

Yeah, yeah. So he was very, very in all his movies, he was very, very interested in uh portraying it from the female side. So that was something that you picked up on.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:14

Yeah, it's very uncommon. I mean, even today, like there's a lot of discussion about how few women, actresses, best like you know, when they were like in Oscars, they're trying to get enough people, enough women to be up for best actress. There's all these great supporting actress roles, but very few actresses. But the year in 1950, you've got these two Norma Desman and Mark.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:34

Marge Canning, which are absolutely both like lead roles.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:38

Oh, I mean, they not to mention the Eve Harrington role, you know. Whoa. I just thought that was interesting. Yeah. Uh and uh I mean I'm thinking, do we have any that we've had that are like strong women that have like they're a strong female lead of the winners?

SPEAKER_06 1:00:52

I well, I I mean, actually, I think we have. I mean, I think you can consider Mrs. Miniver that. Yeah, Miniver for sure. Um I think that let's see, what else do we have there on that decorate?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:05

I don't like the most of them are mostly men centered. Maybe I would Miniver for sure. You can have some equal, like Scarlet O'Hara. The women and the women but the women matter a lot in that movie. The men are like completely disagree with you guys.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:22

I think the women matter a lot in that movie. I wouldn't say that they're like on the I know, but it's not centered around them.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:28

That's what I'm saying. Like, all about Eve is like these two women. Uh Boulevard is like crazy lady, you know. Men of her completely agree. So, like in 22 years, yeah. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:41

Well, yeah, they're gone with the wind, definitely.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:44

Yes, yeah, O'Hara, terrible movie, but centered around the theater. Correctness. Correct.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:50

Did you say the F word? Okay. But you're right.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:55

I mean, it's it's it's just an and it we're gonna certainly over the next hundred years that you know, in Hollywood, and so to have these like two is just kind of wild. So that's my take. I'll keep I'll keep us on track about that discussion over the next four years.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:11

I and there are definite, I would imagine I am woman, hear me more and numbers too big to ignore.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:18

That you know, that would fit that bill that did not win best pictures. Yeah, but just like in I'm just saying, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:24

Let the record reflect I sang something other than a Richard Harris song.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:28

Just as terrible.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:29

New era, Helen Ready era.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:32

You don't like that song?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:34

Not really.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:35

Boy, that was Virginia in your mother's generation.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:37

I know, so there you go. We're done.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

Um okay. Well, some of the other tidbits that that I have. I like that one. Uh Betty Davis and Celeste Home. Although friends in the movie actually did not like each other at all.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:53

Oh, Celeste Hall and Betty Davis in real life did not like each other. I saw that IRL, they hated each other.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:59

Yeah, they did not like each other. But they now they played good friends in the movie, but they did not like each other.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:07

Uh what's her name? They got played. And Baxter and Baxter and Betty Davis got away, even though they had this best actress.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:12

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:14

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:14

Okay, so then the other thing that we've got going on is uh originally for the movie, Claudette Colbert was supposed to play Margot.

unknown 1:03:24

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:26

And you know, I read it. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:37

Did you know who wanted to play um the Claudette Calbert Garcable? Was Betty Davis. Thank you. She got passed over by Claudette for that.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:47

Oh well, then they had Claudette Colbert scheduled to play it.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:54

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:56

The movie that she was making at the time, she fell and uh broke her back. Her back. How you know, this or something in her back. And so she could not film. She was on bed rest. So with just on two weeks' notice, Betty Davis got it.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:12

Thank goodness. Oh what was that movie? What was the movie, Clark Gable and Claw Bad Nut? It happened one night. Yeah, one night. Betty Davis went on it.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:19

And so, interestingly enough, Betty Davis's real life career was on the downside because she was 41. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:27

And uh she was 41, they didn't make her seem older. That's how old she was then.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:32

And so then uh Betty Davis always Betty Davis always said that Zanek uh gave her her career back by putting her in this role. That when she read it, she said, Oh yeah, I'm gonna play that. Okay, so that was one. Um and then, yeah, you talked about the women thing. One of the notice that one of the things I wrote down would it addresses the power imbalance between men and women. And uh Joe was always very interested in how w uh women maneuvered in the world. And uh in this movie, the weapons are the words between the actors, which I thought was pretty good because this got a lot of witty ripertoire or you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:19

It is so quick. That's part of what I like about it. It's so great, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:23

I mean the power imbalance is just structurally built in, right? Because the men are the playwrights and they're the directors.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:28

Oh, I think like we can we talk about that one a minute, yeah, Your Honor.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:32

Um much more rules-based podcast.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:39

Well I got yelled at the last one. I know.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:41

You can't interrupt. It's like I wanted to make sure I was okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:46

So Do I gotta go get my dragon robe on again? No old dragon money guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:51

Um make you guys stand up when I walk in.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:00

I mean I was raising my hand, although that's not gonna come across in the podcast. I'm gonna start eating olives.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:07

So hey, the the thing I want to say about this is you know well I have two thoughts. Number one, like Margot Channing probably did what Eve Harrington did, like Phoebe did. Maybe. Right? And so that's why she could see it so quickly. And Thelma saw it everywhere. And like I don't view, like you said, like Eve was like this terrible, cunning person. I and I get that, but I actually don't view it that way. I like view it as this is what she thinks she wanted above all else, and she was willing to do whatever. And I'm not necessarily saying follow at the end.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:45

Yeah, I'm not necessarily saying that like that makes her a terrible person, but she she clearly is willing to do anything. Yeah, and that is, and you know, Chief Among It cut down these people that have been helpful to her, right? Like true. So it's it's that is conniving.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:04

But think about think about this. Um, the playwright guy, what's his name? Oh yeah, what's his name?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:09

Uh Richard Lloyd.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:11

Why can't I Lloyd Lloyd Richard? Lloyd Richard. So Lloyd, you know, basically becomes a great playwright in part because Margot Channing decides to like play his roles. Right. He's willing to like cut her loose for the court position. Absolutely. No, I'm glad you brought that up because I think it's so gendered because it's such bullshit that like everybody's like, oh well, that's how it goes for the men.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:35

But like the women No, you make that it's a good point because it's really a commentary on I think that world, right? And like in the world in general, right? But like it is about, you know, you're only as good as your next play or your next thing, and like so be it. If you, you know, these people, you know, the horse you rode in on is not gonna cut it anymore. Just hop on a new horse.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:05

And then you don't have to sleep with someone to get ahead.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:07

And the well, it's also viewed as like fine if the men do that, but if the women do that, like it's like this, oh my god, you know, and and it's viewed poorly among to by the women to the you know, to the women. I mean, like it's like it's so gender, it's very interesting. That's what I would say.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:26

Well, in real life, IRL. Huh?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:29

IRL in real life.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:30

Gotta hate her all ages here, Dan. IRL.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:33

Okay. In real life, uh, Betty Davis in real life was accused of being an Eve to Tolula Bankhead. Yeah. Uh, and interestingly enough, as that went on, Tolula Bankhead in the in the mid-50s.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:52

Because they couldn't conceive of doing anything else. And these aren't stars, right? I mean, they're stage hands doing important work in the business, but they, you know, they liked it, of course, but they obviously hadn't developed other hobbies or whatnot. And it's I think that's another reason why people just stick around, right? Because they don't develop other things to do.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:09

They can't Paul's telling us why he curls it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:14

Yeah, yeah. Well, so a funny story, uh, Tangent, uh, because it's the end of the curling season, people like, oh, like, what are you doing over the summer? You know, we're trading stories, and I was like, Well, I don't have any summer hobbies, which I mean, actually, I don't. And some right, and so somebody was like, Yeah, I wasn't being funny, I was just like, Well, I don't have any summer hobbies. And one of my curling friends, she's like, uh, well, maybe you should try hiking. I mean, obviously she's being funny because she knows about the hike, and I'm like I started laughing, like, oh yeah, there is that good. Southbound.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:41

Yeah, it's not too late to be southbound, Paul. You could make it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:46

I mean, I you know, I think like these stars, like they should keep work, you know, working as you know, fine roles and all that, but uh you shouldn't do it just because you can't conceive of any, you know, you can't conceive of doing something else.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:59

Yeah, and you know, one of the things keeping with that, how this movie ended, and it actually ended on a very up note for Marg. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:10

It did.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:11

And they talked about that in a couple of the commentators' commentaries that I watched about she was like, No, I'm gonna be a wife. I'm gonna be married, I'm gonna have other things. And she was content with that, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:26

Content with that, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:29

Um it was like her choice. I mean, it was her choice, yeah. It was her choice. That's that's what I thought was great about it. And like she had to like learn to, because I mean, like, look, I got some feelings about like uh I'm gonna be a wife and that's a winner, um, as like your end-all.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:45

But well, being wife to Sam is not the end-all.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:49

It's a very intervention for the Whaley Braun family. Very important part of my life, but it is not I'm not living to serve Sam, no. It's not the possible thing. I thought Sam was living to serve me. I yeah, right. What? I know. Come on. But um, I do think Well, that was harsh. Go ahead. You do think. I don't think it was harsh. No, it's not harsh.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:17

You do think, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:18

I think that um that it's it would have been a better movie if uh Margot, and like it's 1950, so I mean we're 70 some years, 76 years ago. Uh we it would be better if it was like Margot was fine like with doing something else. Right. Like, but what is kind of said that the only thing a woman could conceive of doing is to go and be a fucking wife. Yeah, not be a producer or yeah, like you would mean like, oh now I'm gonna be, but that would be today, like in today, you're right, it would be like producer, director, Reese Witherspoon.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:57

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:57

Like Reese Witherspoon is a good example, I think. Right. She was an actress that's parlayed that into production and now into like this whole book thing. She's a yeah, she's become a mogul. She's a mogul, she's very Oprah-esque in her way. So, like, that would be like, but like, look, I mean, I mean, this is 1950s, so I agree with you that it's like an upswing for her, but like that would be what my agree on it. Yes, I know. A lot of curse words today. Sam will pay the bill.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:27

Well, I've only got you down for two F-bombs. I know. That's all that's.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:32

I haven't had them for a couple weeks. I've taken a break.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:37

Yeah. I did love this movie though. I mean, it's probably right up there behind Casablanca.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:43

I have to admit, I had never seen it. Oh, really? I had never seen it. And after watching it twice and then watching all the uh commentaries on it, it's a damn good movie. So yeah. And I really like Sunset Boulevard.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:01

Yeah, Sam was like it. Yeah. William Holden, William Holden, Swanson, everybody. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:07

William Holden's always been one of my favorite actors from all time when he's floating face down in the pool. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. I just so love that. And she comes down the stairway. Oh yeah. Oh. I'm ready for my clothes up.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:20

I mean it's freaking weird. No, I mean, I am big. It's the pictures that got me. I love it! I am big.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:30

It's the pictures that got small. But okay, let us remember, like watching this movie, people say the famous one wrong. Because it's like fasten your seatbelts. It's gonna be a bumpy night. Yeah, bumpy. Yeah, not bumpy right.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:44

Yeah, right. Bumpy night.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:46

And so listeners should know, they should know to quote this movie right. Yeah, Davis says fasten your seatbelts.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:53

And uh another thing that I I I do want to mention since you know we just got done uh three weeks ago going to SUFS, watching a Broadway tour, going on its national tour. Um, there's still this uh, and I think it still exists today, between if you're on Broadway or if you're in Hollywood.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:15

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:16

You know, and it's it's really interesting, I think, to be really considered an actor or an actress. You go to the theater. You go to the theater.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:27

George Clooney.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:28

Yeah, especially if you're English. You you know, you've got to do the theater. But then some people can go back and forth between Hollywood and the theater. But I still think, you know, every guy wants to do Shakespeare on Broadway or at the at the Globe Theater in London or whatever.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:50

I don't know. I feel like American actors get definitely pigeonholed into like whether it's TV or movies or theater more so than Brits. Because they're like bouncing all over. You see people in TV shows and they pop up in movies, and like I've been in London and saw you know, plays in the West End, and it's like this random like person that you've seen in a movie. Like the guy that played Wickham was like up on the stage, you know. It's like there just seems more interchangeable in.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:27

I think it's gotten more interchangeable. What is what I see now in America is like they become famous in Hollywood, and then they go to a theater. Because we saw Dooley Hill play Nat King Cole last year, we saw Clooney do um, what was that movie? That show called Goodnight and Good Luck. Good night and good luck. So it's kind of like what's happening more. I think what's happening for a theater because it's not economic, like they can't make any money. Right. Because the overhead's so much. Pulling a star means pulling a star, and so they're more likely now to go to Hollywood and then go to the theater. So your point is a view of like, have you done the theater? Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:04

That's what I think is happening now in America.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:05

But the economics of theater are helped tremendously by having a Hollywood star. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:10

I mean, we're gonna go see uh in two weeks we're going to um, or maybe is it three weeks? Three weeks we're going to New York and we're gonna see O'Mary. Uh oh yeah, you know who's playing. Is it Maya? Is it Maya Rudolph? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:27

Minnie Ripperton's daughter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:31

Have you seen it yet in any of its forms? I haven't seen any of his forms. I mean, have you seen it?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:35

No. No. I'm excited. We're gonna see that in Operation Mince Meat. Oh yeah. Really? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:41

That's a play?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:41

It's a they turned it into a musical.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:44

It was yeah, it was on the West End and it came to Broadway. Yes. So we're gonna go see SUFs for the fourth time.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:52

Titanic being turned into musical. May 13th. Titanic. Titanic Q-U-E. That gets us.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:57

Warrior button.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:58

Yeah. Uh oh, yeah. We go to SUFs in Cincinnati. Abby and I are gonna go. My niece. And then two days later we head to New York, and we're gonna see um O Mary, and we're gonna see um uh Operation Mince Meat, and then we might see Bruce Springsteen at Madison Square Garden. That would be a good one.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:22

Nice, because he's there.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:24

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:26

You know what this is?

SPEAKER_05 1:17:28

What?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:28

Double income, no kids.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:30

Yeah, dinks. To be a dink like Betty Davis and Bill Merrill. That's right. Right? Yeah. And uh David and Emily and my cousins Lily and Ellie are going. So that'll be fun. I'll report back. Anyway, what do we see in next week?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:49

American and Paris.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:50

It's an American and Paris. Really?

SPEAKER_06 1:17:52

Yeah, next week.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:53

Oh god. I love that.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:55

Is Cheryl coming?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:56

I'll have to check in with her. Yes. Sam's the only person she's told, apparently. Or whoever she told me.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:03

She told Cher. She told Sam that stuff. Sam was out recruiting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:07

So, anyhow, if it's American and Paris, clearly we have to have French food.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:11

Yes, do you want me to make the chicken? What do we want? I can make that if you want to make something else.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:20

What do you want, Dan?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:22

I want horse meat.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:24

We're not doing that. No, we're not doing that.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:29

I can make a chicken or a chicken.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:34

We make dark word. That's all it seems hard. Coco van is not easy.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:40

Cocoa Von is easy. It just takes all day.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:43

Yeah, it's the preparation.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:46

Well, it's a lot of hands-on cooking. We could have some brie. I've been yankering for some brie.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:52

Oh, yeah. You know, we could just do a whole bunch of French cheese and some bat cats. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:58

Well, that's noodle on it. Noodle, but American in Paris, the first musical since Broadway, since uh Ziegfield I guess.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:07

Yeah, they did have some great things on there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:13

And even that I was willing to give a pass. That wasn't a musical because there was it was so long and quite a non.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:19

But American Paris is in color. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it's it's Gene Kelly. Yeah. That has a ballet scene. I know all about this movie. You got everything. Oh yes. And do you know what I have most of all? Paris. What is it? Paris is always a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:41

We'll always have Paris.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:42

And we'll always have Paris.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:44

We've done it. But you walked in, we'll always have Paris. That's right. So, and then Sam will have to make sure we've got some good French wine.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:51

Oh, already done.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:53

We can take care of that. So who's gonna who's gonna do this one? You loved it. We should do it. Yeah, yeah. I got I got a quarter in here in the O fudge jar.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:03

Oh no, it's a half dollar piece. It's a Kennedy half dollar.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:06

Perfect. All right. What else do I say, Danny, before we close out?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:09

Final thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:10

Uh uh, yeah, I do final thoughts since we didn't go Dan first. Uh Kate, final thoughts.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:16

I don't think I have a single thing to add.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:19

I mean for the upcoming week, too.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:21

Well, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:22

Um it's the end of April.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:24

It's the end of April. Let's let's hope we have a good May.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:29

Yeah, no final thoughts.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:31

Uh Sam?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:32

I just hope Dea's having a good time on her trip. Yeah. See her too.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:37

Nan?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:38

Sam is so much better as a parent. Sam is so much better at what? As a parent. Like he's so good about thinking about Deo while she's gone. And whenever we go to uh events as diverse, it's always Sam that's insisting on we go. And I'm like, do we have to go? Sam's a much better parent. That's my final thought today.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:00

Alright. Host parent.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:03

Okay. Okay, uh, I'm gonna, since we're getting close to May, I'm gonna go all Richard Harris from Camelot. It's May! It's May! The lusty month of May, where people often go astray. It's May! It's May.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:21

Terrible.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:22

Camelot's a great movie.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:24

Camel Boss is a great, it is a great play.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:26

And I saw Richard Harris do it live at Memorial Hall downtown. Okay, with that, uh, dear listeners, I hope we haven't bored you too bad. Oh, it's great tonight. If you've never seen uh All About Eve, watch it. It is a great movie. As is Sunset Boulevard. Uh if I had if I was voting, I don't it I'd have had to flip a coin. If I had to you know, to me, that would have been a year that they could have tied. You know, because they've had best actress tied a couple times.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:01

I would have picked if I had to pick, I'd pick all about you. Me too.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:05

Sam, what would you pick?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:07

He picked Sunset Boulevard. But anyhow.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:12

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:12

Uh yeah. He left to watch a uh Liberty, Liberty, Liberty Mutual Insurance commercial. Uh so anyhow, with that, uh, I hope we haven't bored you. Uh we got things going on this week. We'll be busy. We're gonna do a big French meal next week.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:30

Parlez bouffe.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:31

Parlez-vous francais. And uh I'll end the evening like I always do. Uh Godspeed and fair winds until we meet again.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:40

You can say that in French.