Does a movie about alcoholism make a best picture?

In this explicit free episode (it is clear Sam and Nan were gone) the gang has some Marian's Pizza and Paul and Kate lead the discussion of a new era of acclaimed films--The Lost Weekend, the 1945 best picture.  A tough movie, the conversation is thoughtful. Brutal and difficult are the words to describe this movie.  

Diya helps with the technical capabilities of the Podcast!  Enjoy a good conversation at Dan's dinner table on Wroe Avenue.

#DinnerwithDan

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:13

Okay, we're on Dia. Yeah. Okay. Tonight we have a new tech that set this up. Well, she's not new to the table, but she's new uh setting it up. So thank you, Dea, for setting it up.

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She has been the apprentice.

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She's the apprentice.

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And now she is the master.

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She's uh a quick study. Uh like to welcome everybody to episode 27 of Dinner with Dan. Uh I am Dan Garrett, your host again tonight, and we are recording on Sunday, March 15th from Roe Avenue and Dayton's historic Five Oaks neighborhood. Um I think it got to be 72 degrees today here. It did. It's very windy, but it got to be 72. Tomorrow the high is going to be somewhere in the lower 40s. And then on Tuesday, St. Patrick's Day, the high is going to be 28. So I will not be wearing my short-sleeve t-shirt then.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

I think you will not be wearing your short-sleeve t-shirt. Specifically Club Garrett's t-shirt.

SPEAKER_04 1:17

And 2018. I appreciate it. You're welcome. And uh I guess someday on one of these podcasts we'll talk about climate change. It'd be a short conversation. There isn't any. Yeah, short conversation. There is no climate change. So uh with that, uh, because we do have the Oscars coming up tonight. That's right, we are tonight's Oscar night. Oh last week I I don't know if it was on the podcast or not, but I tried to get uh my tablemates to uh wear tuxes and the ladies to wear gowns, and I was uh booed out of existence. So we're just here casual. That's right. I could have been peer pressured into it if Sam was here. Yeah, but Sam even though Sam wanted a tux because he's got one.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

You were the most likely to bow to Dan's wishes, Paul. Thank you. I yeah, I could have done it.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

I almost I almost texted you, Caden, asked if you were dressing up, but but you knew the answer was no, right?

SPEAKER_04 2:18

Yeah, we're all more comfortable because it's 70 degrees. Well, I knew when the ladies said uh no to gowns, that wasn't gonna happen with the gowns.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 2:27

So, anyhow, uh uh so after we get done with the podcast tonight, uh we will be uh watching the Oscars. Uh I uh thought I I I watched the Flyers game. Uh unfortunately Flyers got beat, but they got to the championship game.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:45

Um and I had Eddie uh put on Hammett for me, which is another nominated film tonight, and I almost got through it. Um Mary Grace showed up, that's uh uh Virginia's uh my late wife's twin sister, and we talked for a while, and then I almost got till the end everybody showed up, but that's okay because it's on streaming and I can catch it. It's a very good movie, Hammett, uh, which would bring me to have had watched three of the ones that were nominated. Centers uh One Battle After Another and Hammett. So anyhow.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Which is your favorite?

SPEAKER_04 3:21

Um man, that's three different kinds of movies. I'm glad I'm not voting. Yeah, I liked them all. I really like Cinners. I understand why it was uh nominated for 16 times. It's the most nominated Oscar film in history. Yeah. Uh it's got more nominations than any other movies.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 3:40

Uh a feat. I really liked one battle after another. And Hamat is really, really good. It is really, really good. So I would uh uh urge all our listeners to catch those three movies. Uh anyhow, at the table tonight, we have table regulars Kate Evans, Paul Duncan Robinson, and Dea, uh, who is our tech person tonight. She's watching the recording, making sure uh everything's recording. Uh and Eddie will float in and out, I'm sure. Uh Nan and Sam are excused tonight, as Nan had business in Phoenix, uh, Arizona. And Sam, the freeloader he is, went along with uh went along with her. Uh and uh I think they're coming back tomorrow, which is wise because tomorrow or Tuesday, Phoenix is supposed to set a record high temperature for that day in March. It's supposed to be like 102. Oh, well, you know climate change? Nah, there's no sense of it.

SPEAKER_02 4:46

What a wild, yeah, what a wild week and weather then.

SPEAKER_04 4:49

So, anyhow, I already went through the tonight's Oscars, so uh we will uh as Dia reaches for pizza, uh I'm going and oh Ken, well, for dinner tonight, uh, Paul.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

Oh, yes, we have uh Marion's pizza, uh Deluxe pizza, and we have sausage, mushroom, and green olives, and a vegetarian pizza.

SPEAKER_02 5:11

Yeah, thank you for this. I requested an easy night because I had book club this afternoon and not a lot of time, so thank you.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Marion's is really busy. I don't know if the good weather affected it. It wasn't, I think it was mostly takeout orders because inside wasn't so busy, but uh unlike the last time we had Marion's, this one uh longer wait.

SPEAKER_04 5:32

Yeah. Well, it could be, you know, uh um uh parties before watching the selection committee. Good point.

SPEAKER_03 5:42

Good point.

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And for those out-of-towners who don't know about Marion Pizza, Marion Pizza cuts their pizzas into squares. That makes them different than the others that cut it into wedges. And it was uh actually the first Marion Pizza was on North Main Street, not too far from where we're at. Uh Marion Glass was the uh uh the gentleman who started it. Uh his son took over after Marion left us. His name was Roger Glass, and uh he was quite the contributor to philanthropic things, including Shamanard Julien. Shamanard Julianne is the Glass Stadium. Yep. And uh his last big uh contribution was to the University of Dayton, which built the glass, uh Roger Glass uh performing arts on Stuart and I don't know, Stuart and Main. It's not Stuart and Maine.

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Maine.

SPEAKER_04 6:38

Maine Stuart and Maine, okay, Stuart and Maine. And as an aside for those locals, if you ever want to see uh something, go out to Calvary Cemetery off of uh Pal Dixie and Dayton right past uh Dayton history, and you drive through it, and you'll come to what looks like a small Greek temple, and that is where the glasses are buried. It is like something that's uh it's unbelievable. And uh that's where Mary and his wife and Roger, and I think there's a couple other glasses that are buried there. It's it's it's quite the uh quite the monument to him. But anyhow, uh Marion's Pizza does win international pizza contests or national pizza contests all the time as one of the best pizza operations. So that's what we're having tonight. Thank Paul for getting it and thank Kate for making the um a salad. The salad and we'll give a shout out to Jump City Market on Salem Avenue, which needs all the work it or all the customers it can get.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

That's right, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:46

Uh, because Kate had book club and needed uh to get some salad makings and made a quick run to uh Jump City Market.

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And here we are, and here we are.

SPEAKER_04 7:56

So, Dea, we're gonna, you know, I always go around the table that way, so what did you do this week, Dea?

SPEAKER_01 8:02

Well, my week was pretty usual. I went to school and did some ceramics. Today was a fun day. Um I went to Cincinnati and um we walked around and looked at like many air murals around the city, and then we had lunch and we played games, and it was it was fun, it was a rotary event, and I got to meet like all the members of the Cincinnati club and students, and I had fun. It was a good day. I'm kind of bombed out of the book club because this like this week's book was the one that I read.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

Yeah, I like what was the book?

SPEAKER_02 8:42

The red tent.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

The red tent wanted to be there. And I heard it was awesome.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

It was very nice. The book club was great. Um, you would have been welcome to the conversation, you know. Um our book club is all women, and we typically read female authors, and so this was a great, I think it was a very it was a I think a women's book. I mean it everybody should could read it and I think get something out of it, but definitely I think made for good conversation. So yeah, it would have been nice if you were there since you read it.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

Oh yeah, but that was all about my week.

SPEAKER_04 9:24

Are you done bowling?

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Uh yes, from at school, but I do occasionally bowl for rotary and bowling tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02 9:33

Oh, there's a rotary league. Yeah. Oh okay.

SPEAKER_04 9:38

Now let me get all up in your business. Have you got a prom gown yet?

SPEAKER_01 9:44

Okay, so I'm probably not wearing a gown.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

That's fair.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

I'm not wearing anything goofy. Everybody did go shopping yesterday, and I did go. But because I'm short, it's hard to find dresses for my size.

SPEAKER_04 10:01

Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

So I probably have to get it hemmed. But I haven't like chosen a dress yet. But the theme is Bridgerton. Oh Bridgerton. Well, wow.

SPEAKER_04 10:15

Have you started watching Bridgerton yet?

SPEAKER_01 10:17

Well, I've seen the first two seasons, but what happens is like I would watch maybe five minutes of an episode and skip everything else. So I got done with it very quickly.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Yeah. Yeah. That's a quick way to go through it.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:32

Now But you have the gist of it, so you'll know, you know how. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:38

Now, uh Virginia and I watched Bridgerton. And I think sh uh it's in season four now, right? So she made the first three seasons. Or no, uh, maybe just the first two.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

Yeah, it might have been just the first two, Dan.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

Yeah, just the first two. So you don't you you don't have to go as a character, right? Just in that sort of style of dress. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

That era. I probably won't follow it.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:04

It would be difficult, probably.

SPEAKER_04 11:09

So, okay. What have you done? Oh, well, no, Dia, when's uh when's prom?

SPEAKER_02 11:16

April 11th.

SPEAKER_04 11:17

April 11th, okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

So you've got a few weeks. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:20

We'll have to figure it out. We'll save our prom recollections until after Dia's got hers. Fair. Because I got I got some good prom stories.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

Oh, see? That's surprising. Oh yeah, that'll be good.

SPEAKER_04 11:33

I got some good prom stories. As a chaperone or as an attendee? As an attendee. Okay. My one and only prom because my senior year I was banned by the school. Also surprising.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

Ooh. No, see, a preview. We have to wait.

SPEAKER_04 11:49

That's called a teaser in the business. No, my in the business. So, Katherine Ann, what have you been up to?

SPEAKER_02 11:56

Um, I went to work this week. Um, and then I actually I took Friday off to go with my aunt who had a knee replacement surgery. Um, and she did great with her surgery and seems to be doing well um with her recovery so far. Um I think, you know, she's hoping to be truly back on her feet, like as quick as possible, and so far so good. And it's amazing how quickly they move you in and out these days. I mean, within a couple of hours of waking up, she was on her feet. They were like actively getting her out, uh, being discharged. So it was pretty obvious.

SPEAKER_04 12:48

Wow. You know, when I had mine done in 2001.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:57

Yeah, 2001. I was in for five days.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

Well, see, even my dad, who had his knee replaced, I think within the last 10 years, had to stay overnight one night. But they so the surgery, I heard someone refer to it as a jiffy knee. And the process is a little different, it's a little updated, and so whatever they're doing in there is somewhat less invasive, I think, and like it just it allows you to like recover quicker, you know, get home quicker, and but she was never she was not knocked out completely. Oh she was um, it was kind of like when you get a colonoscopy, like you were kind of in twilight, like mostly out, but you know, she so like not putting her all the way out helps speed it along too, and so so far, so good. And you know, she's she's home and has been getting used to life without the old knee pain. Uh so yeah, I mean, Dan, you know well what it can be like, and so getting worse and worse. Well, she was in pretty bad shape uh prior to, you know, I mean, just injury and and the knee was very in um a lot of instability in the knee and stuff. So she was really, really looking forward to getting this done, and I think it'll be good. So then that was Friday, and then Saturday, uh my sister came to my house and helped me start excavating things in the basement that have to be thrown out because of my great flood experience. Um, so I've got a big pile of stuff that I'm gonna call like uh I think I'm actually gonna call like junk people um to come, like, because they'll actually like take it out for you. And there's there's a lot, and there's like there's some furniture and things that'll be really difficult to get out myself. So I think I'll just call like a junk caller to come and they can take it right out and get rid of it. So that'll be nice, and so the basement's like almost dry again. Um you know then today it's been laundry and book club, and now I'm here, so nothing too eventful, just stuff I have to get done. Spring cleaning. Have to get it done.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

Polly? Well, uh also known as Duncan. Yeah, like I say, about every week right now. I spent a lot of time at the Cincinnati Curling Club in Westchester, uh, helping out some uh learn to curlers, uh very enthusiastic bunch of people. Um, it is fun, um, even though as a natural introvert, you know, I gotta use my extrovert skills and be excited and all that. But the one different thing I did today is I volunteered with the Leadership Dayton uh group. I'm a Leadership Dayton alum class of 2014, and they do a poverty simulation every class. It's called the Cost of Poverty Experience. It's run by an organization out of Springfield, Ohio called Think Tank. And it's a it's a very stylized simulation, it takes about an hour, and you run through like a month in the life of various different family situations, but everyone is in poverty, uh typically working poor. Um and so you play uh you play one month, but you play four different weeks, and they have to the participants have to go about and solve solve their whatever problems arise. Like in some of the cases, it's not so much a problem as it is you have to pay rent, um, you have to find gas money. In other cases, uh the the the people who run the uh the simulation, they'll give you like a card or something that says, oh, you know, some somebody uh your your daughter's son uh has to stay after school, and so now that the same people that are trying to figure out how to go from place to place now have to add in like a school stop. So as a volunteer, I played the housing resource person. Um and so my job was to collect uh the or have people come to me and then I would tell them how much they owed. And a lot of times um they didn't have enough money to pay, and so I'd have to warn them that they might be evicted. And I went around and evicted a couple people. Um, but other stations are like the the court police officer. Um, if somebody had stopped by my station to apply for a housing voucher, I would have I would have had to tell them to go to the court to get a uh um uh their their their history to you know prove or lack thereof to prove that they you know didn't have a criminal background. So it's really eye-opening as a participant of this um several years ago, it's just eye-opening. Um depending on your family situation, your learning can be a little bit different, but what you quickly realize is there isn't enough time to accomplish all the things that we as you know middle class people um just take for granted. So anyway, sorry, I went on there, but uh that that was what that's the unique thing I did this week, Dan.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Um I also watched Sinners N SNL, which was fun. The movie Sunday. Oh yeah, yeah. Good movie. Good music, and it's kind of spooky, and it's vampires, but it's really cool. I think it's gonna win.

SPEAKER_04 18:11

It's gonna win something because it's not so many memories.

SPEAKER_00 18:15

Well, you never know. Uh and you picked up Mia, right? And well, she she has her car in Columbus, so this, so I didn't have to go through the whole rigmarole of when do you want to be picked up because you know, kids these days, Dan, if you ask them too early when they're coming home or if you're picking them up, they can't give you an answer 24 24 more hours out. I mean, so I was like, Mia, when do you want to uh uh you know, when are you gonna come home? You know, like i her answer didn't matter, but I was trying to plan if I was gonna do a learned to curl or not. And uh I asked her like on Thursday, and that was too early, Dan. Too early. So I asked her Friday, and she said, Well, I'll probably come home Saturday around 3.30. And uh I don't think Mia's probably listening to this episode, but no offense, Mia. I didn't quite believe it, so I signed up for a 3.30 learn to curl, and then she texted me Saturday um early afternoon and said, Yeah, I'm not making 3.30, I'll be there about 6.30. Perfect. She goes, You can sign up for that learner to curl. Of course, I already had. So I mean, yeah, she drove herself home yesterday, and uh um so she has a car on campus. She, yeah, since January. So she pays for the parking, it's covered on parking, and uh, she brought her cat with her. Um so now there's four cats in the house. And um four cats in the house. And we uh we went to Skyline Chili. Wow, yeah, Skyline's good. Yeah. We used to be big time regulars in addition to the Thursday Skyline Chili. We would often go after figure skating. Um, so that's dwindled. Um there's all kinds of pizza, Eddie.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

Eddie's here.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Yep. Eddie is soda. Guess what, Eddie? Your turn. Unless there's follow-up questions at the end. Unless you have follow-up questions.

SPEAKER_02 20:03

Uh so this is Mia's spring break. It is her spring break.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

Today, of course, felt like spring break, but uh No.

SPEAKER_04 20:11

Are they off all week?

SPEAKER_00 20:12

Yeah, they're off all week. And I said, Mia, do you have any plans this week? And she acted like that was a super duper dumb question. Seriously, I said uh as like, okay, with modern technology and communications, it's quite possible you're still in touch with your high school friends at Shamanad Julien, and she acted like it was still a dumb question. Nope, she doesn't have anything planned. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

You know, her whole life is planned. Can't she just have one?

SPEAKER_00 20:42

Yes. Paul, I think you're being the helicopter parent. Oh no, no, no, no. It was it was partly just again to plan out how many learned to curl, so there was a selfish intent. So I don't want to abandon her. I say I don't want to abandon her, although she's quite content to, you know, not be abandoned. Yeah, be abandoned.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

Yeah, she's like, please. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 21:00

Well, yeah. We do know one thing she can't do. She can't go down to the University of Dayton for St. Catherine's Day. Not this year. Not this year.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

Next year when she's a senior.

SPEAKER_04 21:10

As a former Dayton Municipal Court judge, I'm gonna be real interested in seeing how they enforce that expand and everything else. I thought about you, Dan.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

It's gonna take a lot of people. As long as they have enough people, I mean, they'll be able to do it, I think. But how secure are me are they making the perimeter? Uh are they putting up the fences like when we had uh NATO here? Like is it because that might do it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 21:40

But you know, it's still not gonna stop them UD kids from pulling out a couch and setting it on.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

Well, if you know, if the talk can be believed, the problems are it's always when the outsiders come in. Oh yeah, it's always the outsiders allegedly. So, you know, we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

I definitely hope there's zero outsiders because if something happens and they can't keep it. No, I think it's Antifa's doing it.

SPEAKER_04 22:07

Oh my gosh. Is the climate change doing it too? Yep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:13

It's the problem.

SPEAKER_04 22:14

Okay, so Eddie, you want to weigh in on anything? You're weak. Okay, Eddie's done.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Eddie said no.

SPEAKER_04 22:23

I will weigh in for Eddie. I'll get that in there. I will weigh in for Eddie. What? He did go to Cincinnati yesterday for the annual Platt family St. Patrick's Day party.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

Oh, is this why?

SPEAKER_04 22:34

It's always been at the uh Pettit's house.

SPEAKER_02 22:36

So they have a little sleepy.

SPEAKER_04 22:39

Yep. So they had a good time at uh St. Patrick's Day. So shout out to all the uh Irish people uh with St. Patrick's Day coming up.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 22:49

Okay, what did I do this week? Uh every week just blends together when you're retired. Um, Eddie and I have started a new uh father-son uh uh uh bonding. We're now Ben's watching Breaking Bad.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 23:07

And so Eddie and I are thinking about maybe starting to cook meth. Uh that's a retirement project, maybe? A retirement project, yeah. Okay. I need money. We need money. Uh so Eddie and I have been watching two to three episodes a night uh of uh Breaking Bad. And uh so, yep, that's really good. It's been off for 10 years, and we're finally seeing it, but it's it's well worth watching. So, yeah, anyhow, so that's what I've been doing. Uh catching up on some TV. Uh like I said, I was watching Hammett before you guys showed up. Uh did Legacy on uh Friday, and then uh uh then Eddie and I ordered Chinese uh Friday night, so you know I'm I'm still trying to be the good little Catholic boy and uh just eating uh fish and seafood on on Friday. Avoiding meat and meat juice. Avoiding meat and meat juice. Well, there's some meat juice you can have. Remember when I used to read that stuff? I do, I do remember St. Patrick's Day, yeah. You can drippings are okay. But anyhow, let's allow eat beavers. Yeah, I guess yeah. Really? Yeah, up in uh Quebec because they couldn't get uh uh enough fish. Uh huh. So the cardinal of uh when it was when it was uh New France. Yeah, uh the cardinal came up with that they could eat beevos.

SPEAKER_02 24:31

So not recently.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

That they were quite well it's never been taken off.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:35

The encyclical or whatever you would I mean it seems like that would be kind of a gross meat to eat, but well, and there's also certain places in uh South America where it's the same thing. Okay. Where they can eat, you know, uh because they can't not readily borrow.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Yeah, some other okay specific thing.

SPEAKER_04 24:56

Uh and then so Saturday I did legacy as well, and uh went up to after gassed my car up, paid the uh the very expensive gas now, but I got my car gassed up. Then I course, you know, I'm uh 73 now, so I had to go to Walgreens and get some prescription medicine.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

Right.

SPEAKER_04 25:19

And then came home and uh hung out at home, uh, watched some movies, watched Saturday Night Live, went to bed, and here I am today. So that's what we've got going.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

Not bad.

SPEAKER_04 25:32

Uh yep. Uh we've got St. Patrick's Day coming up. I have no real St. Patrick's Day plans.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

It's always, you know, I don't really celebrate like I used to. But back in the day. Back in the day. But it's hard when it's during the week. Yeah. You know, it's like I have to go. I have to be functional. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know.

SPEAKER_04 25:57

Uh, and then this week, for those of you who are not uh uh Daytonians, uh the first four uh starts in Dayton, Ohio. We like to say the on Tuesday. We like to say the road to the final four begins in Dayton, Ohio. So there'll be uh four games, two on Tuesday, two on Wednesday. Uh we've well uh the other thing I did watch uh on Friday I uh watched the uh Shaman Julianne High School Women's uh the uh Division III state championship.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

Moon Pie mentioned this at Book Club that they won. I get the Spectrum.

SPEAKER_04 26:35

Yeah and Spectrum covers, uh carries the high school athletic stuff, so I was able to uh watch the CJ Girls. Nice and I had to remind Eddie that when he was six years old, uh we all drove to Columbus.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

That's back when they couldn't remember this, Eddie. I can't believe it.

SPEAKER_04 26:52

Keddy does not remember this. We all drove up to uh Columbus to see, because they used to play at St. John's Arena up at Ohio State uh to see the 1990 CJ Girls play. Uh Lily was in high school at that time. Uh Eddie was all of six years old, maybe five and a half.

SPEAKER_02 27:10

Not at not in 1990, right?

SPEAKER_04 27:12

99.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

99.

SPEAKER_04 27:14

Yeah, 1999. Uh, and uh we went up there, uh Katie Heldorfer was on the team. Uh Tamika Williams had been on the year before, but they were runners up.

SPEAKER_02 27:25

Yeah, that's what I remember because that was my high school era too.

SPEAKER_04 27:29

Yeah. And uh that year, 1999, they won. Bill and Rita, my late uh in-laws, went, and then after that, uh we then drove down to Cincinnati for the Platt Family uh St. Patrick's Day.

SPEAKER_03 27:43

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 27:43

So the women's, you know, the those tournaments are all right around St. Patrick's Day. So, anyhow, uh that's what I did. So tonight, uh we're ready to talk about the movie? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

I think we're ready.

SPEAKER_04 27:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:59

Seems like it's okay.

SPEAKER_04 28:00

Dear listeners. Here we go. Tonight we're going to do uh the best picture uh that was awarded for uh in 1945. And it is the last weekend. Uh it won four Oscars. It won for Best Picture. You need to uh we can shut the grape because the sun is beaten down on Paul and Eddie.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

Yes, I will try not to pull a thumb and pull all the cords out everything.

SPEAKER_04 28:32

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 28:33

There we go.

SPEAKER_04 28:34

Okay, it won for best picture. You know, once the uh awnings go up, we won't have to do that.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

I know, I know. Uh it won't be. I eagerly await the awnings.

SPEAKER_04 28:43

It won for best picture, best actor, uh, best director, and best screenplay. Uh it's based on a novel by Charles R. Jackson. Now, uh what I want to do, uh, since we don't have a whole lot of people here to discuss the movie tonight. Oh, I hope.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

Switching it up.

SPEAKER_04 29:01

Huh?

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Switching it up.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

You're switching it up. You're switching whatever you're about to do is probably gonna be routine.

SPEAKER_04 29:09

No? No, uh, it's just gonna be more in-depth than normal, because you know, we're not gonna have Nan giving her uh her discussion, and we're not gonna have Sam giving his know at all, Sam. Oh, no, what? Uh just because just because some of us do a little research like you do.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

You're Schwartzing people who aren't here to defend themselves.

SPEAKER_04 29:33

Yeah. For those of you who don't know Schwartz, what Schwartz is, watch uh the Christmas story with me. I love both Nan and Sam.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

I know you do.

SPEAKER_04 29:43

But uh so what I did is I wrote down more notes, and I want to say so I don't get sued that these notes I'm attributing to where they came from. And as you know, I buy the DVD, and I bought the DVD of the last weekend, uh, so I paid the money for it, and I used uh uh the uh the words and the write-up that uh that uh they had on the DVD. So I'm attributing that to Universal Studios. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

Was there a director's cut or edition or a comment or not?

SPEAKER_04 30:20

No, no, there was I'm not director, but now uh they didn't have uh guides going over, so I only I only had to watch it once, thank God. Yeah. Okay, so let me uh let me read this. Uh hope you I don't bore too many, but I'll try to read it. It'll give everybody a good overview, and then we can start talking about it. The Lost Weekend, a 1944 bestseller by Charles Jackson, was one of four novels that Paramount Paramount star director Billy Wilder, traveling from Los Angeles to New York by train, bought at a kiosk during a Chicago stopover. Wilder was up all night reading it, reading it twice making notes. From New York, Wilder called Paramount production head Buddy DeSilvia and asked him to look into buying the movie rights. DeSilvia was dubious about the novel's screen possibilities, but paid $50,000 for it on Wilder's Say So. Other executives at Paramount felt that the book was sorid and uncommercial. Quote from Wilder: Not only did I know it was going to make a good picture, Wilder stated, I also knew the guy who was going to play the drunk was going to get the Academy Award. Ray Milan accepted the top role, even though higher ups at Paramount thought it was career suicide. Much of the movie was shot in location in New York City's on 3rd Avenue Pawn Shops, Bellevue Hospital, PJ Clark's East 55th Street Bar, and other sites. Street scenes were shot with a hidden camera. Takes were sometimes ruined when people recognized Milan and asked for his autograph, which I thought was pretty funny. Before shooting, he began Milan existed on a diet of dry toast, coffee, grapefruit juice, and boiled eggs in order to give himself the look of a man who habitually forgets to eat. The actor dropped from his normal weight of 168 to 160. To research his role, Milan spent a night in Bellevue's hospital psychiatric ward. After obtaining permission, he downed hospital pajamas and was assigned to a bed. Also in the ward were about 15 men. Most of them were veterans of the advertising profession, which brings me to thinking about Don Draper. Don Draper and Mad Men and everything that's going on there, you know.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:12

And also one of the guys that spent the night with him was once a big city mayor. Milan was later awakened by the screams of an inmate being manhandled by attendants. As the men were being strapped to, as the man was being strapped to a bed, other inmates began swearing. Milan wrote in his autobiography, quote, then from across the room, a long, undulating howl started. The sound coyotes make at night in the high deserts of Arizona.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_04 33:48

So that's kind of weird.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

That's pretty creepy.

SPEAKER_04 33:50

True to Wilder's prediction, Milan's star performance in the heroine psychological drama earned him an Oscar. Other Oscar winners were director Wilder, screenwriters Brackett and Wilder, and the film itself. When Wilder and Brackett arrived at Paramount Writers Building the day after the Oscar, liquor bottles were dangling from dozens of windows. Which I thought was interesting, and we'll talk about that as we get into the movie. Okay. Then I'll just give you a little bit of the actors and then we can start talking about it. Welsh man, he was Welsh, Ray Milan. He lived from 1907 to 1986. Served in the Royal Household Calvary in London before making his film debut in the late 1920s. He moved to Hollywood in 1930. After years of lightweight roles, Milan won an Oscar and a Golden Globe, playing The Alcoholic in the Lost Weekend. Jane Wyman, she was the love interest in the movie. After attending the University of Missouri, Wyman did some radio singing and played movie bit, uh small movie bit roles before landing a contract at Warner Brothers. She acted in a number of inconsequential movies before Paramount's Billy Wilder gave her a crack at drama in the last weekend. Wyman uh was uh eventually Oscar nominated for The Yearling, The Blue Veil, Magnificent, Obsession, and won for Johnny Belinda. She got the best actress for Johnny Belinda years later. Other awards that she got was uh a Golden Globe for TV's Falcon Crest. And I was a religious watcher of Falcon Crest. For those of you who don't remember it, it was based on it was a family of uh a wine uh vineyard family.

SPEAKER_02 35:51

That's right.

SPEAKER_04 35:51

And uh who was that hot guy that all the young women wanted to be with uh Lamas?

SPEAKER_02 35:57

Oh, Lorenzo.

SPEAKER_04 35:58

Yeah, Lorenzo Lamas, he was on it. Yeah, it was really good. It was kind of like Dallas and California, except for oil, it was wine. Um and it does note that uh uh she was very high paid for that. She made 1.6 million a year as the series star. And also of note that for a while she was married to the future United States President Ronald Reagan. Uh Philip uh Terry, who played Wick Burnham, the brother, uh his he was in a number of different movies, but I guess his big claim to fame was he was Joan Crawford's third husband. Uh he was married to her from 1942 to 1946. Uh another uh guy of note was Howard DeSilvia. He's the main bartender, Nate. Uh he was born in Cleveland. He lived from 1909 to 1986. And interestingly enough, uh he was blacklisted in 1951 by the House on American Activities Committee. And eventually, uh, once that got revealed for the the tragedy it was, got back into uh films and back into TV. And one of my favorite actresses of this whole thing was Doris Dowley. She played Gloria. Uh she was having lunch with Billy Wilder and Charles Jackson, the uh author of Lost Weekend, as they discussed the picture. Jackson turned to her and said it was too bad she wasn't the type to play the bar girl Gloria. Dowling was sadly agreeing with him when Wilder said, yes, she is. And I thought she was great in that role. Uh another guy who played Ben, and I'm not sure who Bim was, uh Frank uh Phalan, uh, he was also in Gone with the Wind. And apparently uh in many films and TV shows, he was uh always portrayed as one of the taxi drivers. And in uh recognition of that, the Los Angeles uh cab drivers union made him an honorary member.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 38:11

So there you go. Talking about being typecast. Nice so I'm gonna read one more thing, and then we're gonna start talking about the movie. Okay, and this is uh on the back of the uh DVD. So uh Universal Studios, I'm giving you all the credit, don't sue me. Uh this is uh what they put on the back of the uh package that the uh and speaking of which before you leave, yeah, Paul, well when when you did your Appalachian Trail thing, yes, and we talked about walk in the woods, yes, and we gave you the mu the movie. Yes. Well, we just gave you the case. I found the movie. Okay. It was hilarious. So you're gonna leave with the movie. Did I notice?

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Well, I've seen the movie, and I don't like the movie, but I did listen, I did listen to the CD Appalachian Spring band. It's in the car, actually. That's a great one. Yeah, so I didn't make use of that, but I've seen the movie. You can't I have zero desire to see it again. Well, but uh it needs to be in the part of my collection.

SPEAKER_04 39:11

Yeah, no, I appreciate that. They can lower you down with it, yeah. Yes, yeah. So, anyhow, yeah, so it's out there, you're gonna leave with it. Okay, okay. So, this is this is the description that Universal Studios, uh, even though it was Paramount, but Universal owns them now. Okay, the best picture of 1945 has lost none of its bite or power in this uncompromising look at the devastating effects of alcoholism. Ironically, this brilliant Billy Wilder film was almost never released because of poor reaction by preview audiences, unaccustomed to such stark realism from Hollywood, but the film has since gone on to be regarded as one of the all-time great dramas in movie history. Ray Milan's haunting portrayal of a would-be writer's dissatisfaction with his life leads him on a self-destructive three-day bench. Filled with riveting imagery, the multiple Academy Award-winning offer an unforgettable view of the life on the edge. So, with that, I'm done.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

Can I mention another name, Dan?

SPEAKER_03 40:22

Oh sure.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

Involved in production. So on the title cards at the beginning, the costume designer was Edith Head.

SPEAKER_02 40:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:29

And uh to kind of jump to the end of that, if you've seen the Pixar movie The Incredibles, she's the person who plays Edna, the costume designer for the family. Oh, no, because modeled after Edith Head. But more importantly, she has been she was nominated for 35 Oscars for Best Costume Design, one eight of them. It's the most Oscar nominations for a woman. Um by the time, by the time that this movie, The Lost Weekend, came out, she'd already been working for Paramount for 20 years, but starting in 1949, she was nominated for an Oscar between 1940, every year between 1949 and 1967. And then five more times in the 70s. Yeah. So very long career. She first won in 1950 with the heiress uh for best costume designer for black and white movie. And in 1951, she won two Oscars, uh, one for black and best costume design for for black and white for um All About Eve, and then Best Costume Design for Uh Color for Samson and Delilah. So I wanted to give her a shout. Even though she's not nominated for this week, you know, for this for this movie, um, that was the one name in the credits. I mean, aside from you know, the the actors, the one name that jumped out at me. So I wanted to give Edith Head. Yeah, I want to give Edith Edith Head a shout out.

SPEAKER_04 41:45

That's a great uh great thing to bring up. I did not know that. Yep. That's interesting. Especially on an Oscar night. Yeah, exactly. Especially on an Oscar night.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:55

Okay, Dea.

SPEAKER_02 41:57

Yeah, what did you think? I have a confession to make. Okay, you better make it.

SPEAKER_01 42:03

I don't remember most of it.

SPEAKER_02 42:07

You were watching but not paying attention.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

Right, because I was working on Brian's hair.

SPEAKER_03 42:12

Oh, very good.

SPEAKER_01 42:13

And from all the sounds that I heard in the room, they were all very disappointed. So I decided that I probably shouldn't make an effort to watch it again. And I read the summary, and it sounds very terrible.

SPEAKER_02 42:29

It's it it's a tough watch for sure.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

I think Jason, Jason Hillard earlier when he was here, said it was a bummer. So yeah, very technical term. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:41

I wonder why what made it win enough.

SPEAKER_02 42:47

I I can only imagine that, you know, Dan said earlier that test audiences weren't necessarily wild about it, but it is quite a performance. I think like the main characters really kind of give this story that is tough. Um they kind of like they bring it to life. It's very realistic, I think. As you're watching it, you can see this man is at the very beginning of the movie, is already in the throes of alcoholism. Like it's not like it doesn't show you like kind of him falling into it. He's already there. And you get a glimpse right away that he is really a slave to his next drink, right? That like he's already living a life that's like very much, where am I gonna get the next drink? And very there's an air of recklessness about him right from the get go. And like I think the performances are just like I think it had to be what what kind of got this across with critics. I mean It's well done. I mean, it's a really well done movie, but I can see why critics would vote for it or p like people in the industry might vote for it and like audiences would be a little less sure of it. Just because it is, it's like it's tough. It's a tough subject. And you know, it's it's really very depressing. It's a depressing watch.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

It's probably not the first movie to depre to depict alcoholism, but certainly the one of this stature. In fact, I did a I did a search on the internet. There's like movies that depict alcoholism, and there's none are listed before this one in terms of being um, I'll say important movies, um, or notable movies with this sort of depiction. Um, so to Kate's point, that could have been like critic uh attention grabbing.

SPEAKER_02 44:48

We're also we're like right at the I think the beginning edge of kind of like a gritty era in film, too, that like you start thinking about like the late 40s and the early 50s, and you start getting like on the waterfront and those sorts of like gritty, real, uh realist films. Yeah. And this, I think, I was kind of thinking about it in terms of like this kind of being the beginning of that era, um, because it's you know, it's uh it's there's nothing glamorous about this movie. There's no glitz or glamour, there's nothing about it that kind of even breaks you out of this man's. I mean, it's called The Lost Weekend, and he has a doozy of a weekend, and it is it, you know, even in the flashback scenes with his, you know, now fiance or whatever she is, like to him, um, you know, there's a flashback scene to how they met, and they he's jonesing for his drink, and he's having to wait for her because the coat check man switched up their coats, and you realize like he's watching this play, he's watching them drink on stage, and he starts jonesing for his drink, he goes outside, he gets irrational with the coat check man because he wants his coat, and then you find out it's what's in his coat that he really wanted the whole time, and it was a bottle of booze, which you know he like kind of rages at this woman when she finally comes out and then decides he wants to charm her a little bit, but he's still just like almost singularly focused on getting outside and getting that bottle to have a drink, and it smashes on the ground in front of him. It's like you think the one moment that might be a little more lighthearted is absolutely not, and then that whole weekend, um, you know, that that's clearly how they met, and then their relationship has continued, and now you know, he's hiding his trying to hide his drinking from her and his brother who has like supported him and covered for him all these years. It's yeah, I mean, I it's it's depressing and it's hard to watch the lengths that this man goes to to like get his next drink over the course of this weekend, and the way he shuts everybody out, and he's really just you know, he he lies and says he's planning to write for the weekend and like he just needs to be cut off from everybody to focus, but it really is just about getting to the next drink and the next drink, and he becomes sad and desperate, and you know, does the heels and you know, I mean, it's like everything you could think of this this guy is going through in a single weekend.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

Um I found it interesting um that the scenario they created, right? So New York City is featured in the in the movie. I mean, like you said, Dan, it's definitely there are scenes that were shot in New York City, and it's really important that this particular movie take place in New York City, right? Because he doesn't have to drive anywhere. So he's we see him walking, presumably he could have taken a subway or a cab, but we don't really see that. And when he goes to like uh try to pawn his typewriter, of course, there's a gajillion, you know, pawn broker potential prom brokers where if he had been in a smaller city or out in the country, that would have been a really short scene. So it's really important to take place in New York City. The other thing I thought was interesting is that he's a single guy. Um, you know, they this isn't um it probably would have been even more brave if they had tried to show like a suburban, you know, father um being an alcoholic and all that. I'm I'm I'm probably viewing audiences weren't ready to see that, I'm guessing.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

So you're probably hit a little too close to home. Yeah, gonna be hit a little too close to home.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

So you're definitely seeing a single guy in the city um that not everybody's gonna be able to relate to who's watching the movie going about his day. Not that they can say, like, oh, this doesn't represent me, I can't identify, um, but it's an interesting choice. I mean, it's based on our novels, uh, but it's still an interesting choice in how they're depicting um the main character and the setting.

SPEAKER_04 49:04

Well, it's fresh in my mind when you mentioned the pawn shop thing. I thought it was really interesting because he kept going to the pawn shops, right? Which uh, you know, uh I guess in New York City uh was were predominantly run by uh those of the Jewish faith. And then he finally finds he's he keeps moving and moving and moving.

SPEAKER_02 49:27

Trying to find one that's open.

SPEAKER_04 49:28

He gets into the Irish neighborhood, yeah, you know, because you see the street signs changing. He gets into the Irish neighborhood and the Irish pond shop's closed, and he says, What's going on here? And the the Irish pond shop owner goes, It's Yom Kapoor. We have a deal with them. We uh they don't open on St. Patrick's Day and we don't open on Yom Kippur and it's Yom Kippoor.

SPEAKER_03 49:52

Yeah. And I thought, okay, that's something.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

I honestly thought it they were closed because of just Saturday, the Sabbath, right? But it turns out it was a high holiday. Yeah, I thought that was interesting details. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

Anything else, Kate?

SPEAKER_02 50:08

What did you think about it? I mean, what did you guys think?

SPEAKER_00 50:11

I I was glad as an hour and 46 minutes or whatever. Because I I honestly wasn't I I mean, I like the pacing, you know, the things I normally like. I I just I hate to say it, I just didn't care what happened next. I mean, like brutal. Yeah, I mean, I I it's hard to conjure sympathy for this guy, right?

SPEAKER_02 50:34

Because you don't ever meet him before it. I think like it's hard to be sympathetic for this man because you don't know him without being totally immersed in this already.

SPEAKER_00 50:47

I mean, he he knew he was gonna miss the train, you know, and and go go upstate. Um, I mean, the lawn the last weekend is a double entendre, right? Because you can imagine an alternate reality where he catches a train and maybe, maybe starts to write that book.

SPEAKER_03 51:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:00

Um, you know, Kate, you mentioned that we don't see him before, we don't really see him after. I mean, he throws a cigarette in the whiskey, yeah, but that by itself, I cannot paint a picture that that he's redeemed.

SPEAKER_02 51:12

I didn't take from that that he's suddenly gonna go cold turkey. I mean, I got from that that he's making a decision to try. Right, which is making a decision to try. He's admitting that like this is I've got a problem and I'm gonna try. But yeah, it for a guy like that, you know it's a long road. I mean, and that's what that's why it's not even that action at the end, it's not at all uplifting.

SPEAKER_04 51:42

I mean, maybe it's there's a little hope in it, but like, you know that I would think, yeah, it's not uplifting, but I think as intense as that movie was, yeah, I think it had to end for the time on some hope.

SPEAKER_02 51:56

Yeah, on with some acknowledgement that he's gonna try to one of the things that I found interesting was uh it was made during World War II.

SPEAKER_04 52:06

Yeah, yeah. And uh, you know, uh we had uh Casablanca, yes, and we had Going My Way. Yes. Uh, you know, what's more uplifting than Going My Way? Right. Casablanca, we're gonna fight the Nazis and beat them.

SPEAKER_02 52:21

Yeah, we just swung the complete opposite direction.

SPEAKER_04 52:24

And this was such a downer. Yep. No mention of the war. No mention of the the war. Not a single mention of the war. And it's contemporary. Yeah, not a single mention of the war.

SPEAKER_02 52:31

I even thought about it too, because to your point, Dan, it's this era and it was made, and they, you know, you'd think like maybe a character like this, you're gonna find out that part of his problem is because of what he saw in the war, or because of like he's struggling to come back from the war. Or he couldn't serve because of medical issues. But there's nothing. I mean, it that it's kind of timeless and where it could take place. You could you could totally see this movie being redone in a later era with very little needing to be truly changed to like keep the story fresh.

SPEAKER_04 53:13

The uh uh some of the things I wrote down, uh uh some of the lines that he had. The the lines are excellent.

SPEAKER_02 53:22

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:22

Uh I'm not a drinker, I'm a drunker.

SPEAKER_02 53:24

Yeah, the way he says that too. Uh matter of fact.

SPEAKER_04 53:28

I reached uh he reached I reached my peak when I was 19, and then he quit school. And you know, that does happen. You know, you see that happen to rock and roll stars and stuff like that. They hit too big. Uh another quirk of the movie that I thought was interesting was he always put his cigarette in, filled uh uh tobacco first with the filter sticking out.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

And then he'd yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:51

They always had to switch his cigarette around for him, no matter whether he was drunk or not, he'd put the cigarette in the wrong way. Uh then uh let me see. Oh, and that uh Helen, uh Jane Wyman, was from Toledo. Yeah. And uh and another thing, another one of his quotes is Love is the hardest thing in the world to write about. I thought that was an interesting quote. Um and uh the other one that I that I I like be and this goes back to some of the movies we've already watched. One of his lines was I'm John Barrymore before movies got him by the throat. And you know, John Barrymore was in a couple of the movies that we you know Grand Hotel, and and you know, he went from Broadway to the movies. And I thought that was so inside baseball. That's such an inside baseball quote, you know. Very you know, I was John Barrymore, and then he went out to Hollywood, and you know, which I wouldn't have gotten had we not watched these movies. That is true, yeah. Yeah, I wanted to have got it at all, but since we've been watching all these movies, yeah. Okay, so let's do this. Uh I will get personal.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 55:07

Uh, you know, because this is a this is a hard movie to watch. Uh I've had uh two alcoholics in my family. Uh I had a first cousin who drank himself to death uh with my uh very smart beautiful wife, two beautiful daughters. Uh the bottle got him. And uh he he couldn't stop. He had great insurance, he was in and out of the best rehab places in uh the state of Ohio, and it just he couldn't stop. Uh they did every intervention you can think. He was he was impatient, he had all the things, and he just could not stop. And I want to say he's time he probably died 30 years ago. He was two years older than me, he was in high school with me. And uh, you know, I often think back to him about you know, he just couldn't stop. And uh and he would drink himself to oblivion every night. Uh they even had it where nobody in my hometown would sell them alcohol, but then he paid guys to go in and get it for him, you know. Uh it was just sad. And to see him spiral out and the effect it had on his uh on his wife and his children, just just sad, sad, sad. My grandpa was a functioning alcoholic. There is such a thing. Oh yeah. He was a beer drunk. Uh I can't remember my grandpa on my mom's side without a beer in his hands. He lived to be 69. Uh but he always had that buzz. So he was not a a lost weekend kind of guy. He got up and went to work every day. He was one of the most respected truck mechanics in the county. And he was also a farmer. Uh never beat his wife, never beat his kids. Yeah. But he just was always had that beer buzz on about him.

SPEAKER_02 57:19

And he how old like when was he born?

SPEAKER_04 57:23

Uh 1899. Okay. 1899, yeah. And he lived to be 69. And what eventually got him was he smoked cigars. And it was emphysema uh that that got him. Yeah. Uh so you know, I I guess there is such a thing of functioning alcoholic.

SPEAKER_02 57:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:43

You know. Uh he was never the blind drunk guy. Uh now, after 36 years on the bench uh at the day at municipal court level, yeah, uh, I dealt with uh alcohol all the every day. DUIs, you name it, I dealt with it every day. And uh that's where just putting the cigarette in the glass, yeah, that's no. Yeah. That's a that's a a Hollywood ending, which is which is okay. Yeah. They they needed they needed to get us out of there with a little bit of some shred of hope for this man. And we know he had a support system, right? Yeah, we had a great support system, yeah. You know, and uh it's it's a tough thing to deal with. Yeah. And uh as a judge, uh my attitude always was uh it's gonna take a number of starts and stops. As long as people don't lie to me about it, as long as they were continuing to work with the people, uh, I would keep working with them. So you could order rehab and oh yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I just they just tell me the truth. Yeah. If you're back drinking again, okay. I'll continue on probation. We're gonna try this program. But if you lie to me, well, that's a horse of a different color. Yeah. So now after having said that, I'm 100% against prohibition. Uh that didn't work. That probably causes us more headaches and more problems. Uh so it's, you know, it's just a fact that some people can do it and some can't. Well, uh, I mean, some people can uh socially drink alcohol and other people can't have a taste. I uh have uh uh become a uh a fan of absence, which is you know the the green fairy. Uh I have eight or nine unopened bottles. I I collect the bottles, I don't know. I've got them out there. And so I've done a lot of history of out of uh of absence. Yeah. And it was a drink that was blamed for everything. Yes, for the French not fighting well in World War I and everything else. And interesting how society has dealt with alcoholism. And in the in the late 1800s in Europe, the thought of how you deal with alcoholism is you have them drink beer instead of a lower alcohol content. Yeah, a lower alcohol content. Yeah. Or have them drink wine. But you can have two glasses of wine, but yeah, you know, so it's a it's an ever-evolving thing. You know, we try the chemicals where you know that I forget there's a a shot that they can take that if you drink alcohol you get violently sick. Right. I forget what it's called. I think I ordered people on that from time to time of probation recommended it. So, you know, it's something that we constantly struggle with.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:49

Yeah. Um it's very interesting to me because I live in a state where it's a dry state, so alcohol cannot be legally sold. A lot of states are that way in India, so I've never seen anyone in my family ever drink at all. So it's been a new experience for me.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:10

Now, can you bring alcohol into your state?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:13

You can. You just can't buy it there. You just can't buy it there. Okay. But most people um don't drink, and that's mainly for religious reasons.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

Most religions would would not allow drinking.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:28

And see, here we are Catholics, where it's encouraged.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:32

Especially during Lent on Fridays at Fish Royce.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:38

And, you know, you get a little sip at mass every week.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:42

Well, yeah, and a we sip on St. Patrick's Day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:46

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:46

And we nip of the But there is that there was that scene in the movie where you know he's taking the shots and you can see the rings. So I was I counted. Yeah, it was like 11 or something at one point. But you're right, it would have taken a lot of beers, especially if it was low alcohol beer, to equate to those 11 or 12 shots. Well, those might have been generous shots.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:06

And you know, in the development of this country idea, because the water was so bad that you people drank beer because it was it killed all the bacteria. Right. So, you know, if you're out at ever go out to date in history where they have a brewery from the 1850s, they tell you that was uh, you know, it was safer to drink beer than it was to drink water.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:33

There's this space in front of Garlog Park. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, that's right, right about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:40

Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:42

That's why like a lot of the beer is like essentially room temperature because they're making it for these reasons, but there's really no way to refrigerate it. So any other comments?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:54

I'm a fan of alcohol.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:58

Well, Eddie is weighed in for his comment for the day.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:01

I am too. I do feel like you're absolutely right, Dan. I mean, it's it's definitely it is a disease, it's an addiction, it's a disease, and like the same time it makes that when she's having that conversation with the brother.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:19

It's you know, if he had cancer, you wouldn't leave him. If he had a heart attack, you wouldn't leave him. This is a disease. And I thought that was pretty forward thinking for a movie that came out then, that it was a disease. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:33

Yeah, yeah, it certainly didn't in other depictions of the time, you don't see that. Right, right? It's like some moral failing, right? It's presented as a moral failing. But yeah, to to do that, I I agree with you ahead of its time. Yeah. Um, I will say there's a I've so I've seen this movie a couple of times before this time, and what has always gotten me though, it's so hard-hitting, the music is overpowering. And I I but I'm not a fan. It's I think it goes too far, and the music like at times makes it clownish to me. And I'm like, this is such a serious subject, and and this music is it's loud and it's it's Twilight Zone music. Sort of, sort of, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:28

It's but it is it is overpowering, yeah, I think in some of the the apparently one reason why the test audience isn't like it because they didn't have that music yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:38

Really?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:39

They hadn't commissioned the music or it hadn't been finished, so it was like jazz music and it was just filler music, yeah, but the audience apparently thought it was jarring to have jazz music and as the background.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:51

Well, it certainly, I mean, jarring maybe is the right word for this, though. This music is jarring because it certainly, you know, it's it's not easy to listen to. And but yeah, the music really stood out to me as as a feature of this movie that I didn't care for that much.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:12

And I don't know that it necessarily enhanced this movie or the drama in it, but you know, maybe I should watch it with try to watch it without the music and see. But yeah, I don't know. I didn't care for the music, and I just thought that it really overpowered the the weight of some of the scenes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:32

So you know, another thing is it's always rye. Oh yeah, he's yeah, he's a rye drinker. Where at one point in time in America, the majority of whiskey was rye whiskey. So that must have been back then because he's always give me a bottle of rye, give me a bottle of rye.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:52

It would have resonated then with the audience, too. That's true, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:56

Well, it it's a toughie.

unknown 1:05:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

I just want to say Ray Milan, no doubt about it. That was a unbelievable portrait. But I really, really liked Gloria. The bar girl.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:13

And I think that was a nice way of saying she's probably a prostitute.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:16

Absolutely it was.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:18

And I thought her acting was superb. I thought she had that whole I'm a high high-paid call girl. You know, she was very attractive. She was, you know, she had the right way of saying things. Don't be ridiculous. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:35

Don't be ridiculous. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:37

Very funny. I thought she was really, really good.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:41

So it's the second movie with opera scenes in it. Yeah, it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:45

So we'll see how we see how long this continues. Well, Chalome, what's that guy's name? Chalome. Chalamet, he doesn't think we should have opera. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:58

That was I know that made me really turn on Timmy. Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:01

Well, you know, he said it and it's still it there was like three days of Oscar voting still left. I know. Dummy. Well, and his mother and grandmother were dancers.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:12

Oh yeah. Well, way future Oscar winner Almadez. There's a scene in there where the Emperor says, no ballet. No ballet. No, and no music, right? For the ballet, so they're all dancing around without it. And he's like, What's going on? He's like, Well, you outlawed this. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:31

Okay. Any other comments about the movie? No.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:36

No, it was tough. You know, this is we've been on kind of a streak of movies that I think we all liked for various reasons. And this one, I mean, a weighty film, but hard to like, tough to watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:52

Was this better or gone with the wind better?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:56

Well, it is shorter for starters. Which helps. Which helps.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:00

I think I like the fact that this is hyper focused on a few characters. I mean, I think it has a lot of weight. I think it has a lot of dramatic weight to it. And I don't know. I I think this. I would frankly, I mean, I would rather watch this than Gone with the Wind.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:21

I would rather watch this again before Gone with the Wind. Even half of Gone with the Wind.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:25

Well, you know, I think this was educational more than entertaining. Yes, I think that's a good way to get it. Entertainment. Entertainment. Pure entertainment. All Quiet on the Western Front was very thought-provoking and everything. But this was jarring. This was educational. This was you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:48

So during this time period when people went to the movies, they would have seen a newsreel, they would have seen a cartoon. I could see people leaving and saying, you know what, I like the cartoon better, whatever. The newsreel, in fact, might have been better.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:00

So it was released before we were done with the war, I assume. Right. So yeah, not an escape movie for sure. Yeah, definitely. You know, not something to go and like set your troubles aside with for a couple of hours.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:16

So are we gonna scratch on the thing?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:20

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:21

Oh yeah, we'll we'll do that. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:23

Next next time it's the best years of our lives.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:26

Next year, next time is best years of our life, which I've seen, and I've got it on DVD.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:32

It's this is a good one. I I'm excited to hear what people think about this.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:38

And uh there you go, Dea.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:40

It's me? It's you, it's you again.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:44

It's you as our technical director.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:48

Yes. And we may fire Nan when uh she gets back.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:52

I you know, I think Nan will be glad to have some help. Exactly. I think she'll be much back. I know.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:00

Well, and apparently I'm gonna get it. We're gonna get another mic. Oh that's right. Oh right. Another birthday prep. Your birthday one for Christmas, and now I'm gonna get one for my get ready, listeners.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:11

You're gonna be like five mics. No, there'll be four.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:15

Oh mics. We're big time.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:17

So what are you trying to say, Eddie? Okay, it's a bat.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:22

It's gonna feel more pressure to attend.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:24

Is it a toughie? It's a bat. That's a bat. Oh, it's a bat, yeah. Like from the when he has the DTs.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:32

Yeah, that was I thought that was interesting. It's not uh pink elephants, it's little mammals.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:38

Yeah, when he's telling her it's in that hole in the wall and there's no hole. Oh, yeah, that's ooh.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:44

It's a hard movie, there's no doubt about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:47

Okay, well, uh Dea, you got a busy week?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:52

I think so.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:53

Okay, you got a busy week?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:54

Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:56

Anyone going to the uh uh UD for the tournament games?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

No, I I wish uh that sounds like fun, but I remember when you used to sell uh uh sugar coated.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:08

I know the the almonds and the pecans.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:11

Yeah. I know. This was a good uh weekend for it or a good stretch here.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:17

Yeah. I attended the first couple years when it was not sold out because it was just the first couple years and it was amazing at the thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:23

It's become a very popular thing. It's hard to get tickets. It's almost gotten too big, but I'm glad it's a good thing for Dayton, and I'm glad it draws in.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:34

Remember the year when Obama and the And David Cameron. It was David Cameron, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:39

Yeah, that was a great, that was really fun. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:43

I remember Virginia was at that one. I was at that one, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:46

Yeah, yeah, that was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:48

And uh Obama bought hot dogs for Obama.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:51

Yeah. Okay, well, uh, I guess then uh we'll uh we're gonna break for dessert. Uh there's I've got five different kinds of pies in the refrigerator. I have coconut cream, apple, peach, chocolate, and uh there's another one, I forget what the other one is.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:15

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:15

Then I also have uh some of those Irish cookies that we had last week, and then I got tons of Girl Scout cookies. Remember the movie uh Raising Arizona? Yes. Yes when Nicholas Cage he can't drive by a UDF without robbing it. Okay, I can't drive by cute little Girl Scouts selling cookies without buying some. Even though I bought a bunch from my granddaughter in Portland that are being uh donated to a homeless shelter in Virginia's name. And even though I bought a bunch from Scooby, who is one of our bailiffs, one of my bailiffs now at Dayton Municipal Court, I bought a whole bunch from her because she sells them for her niece. And Frank brought them home for me. I was leaving Legacy yesterday, and they're on the side out by L Bakery. Yeah. Uh there was a little Girl Scout and her parents with their table set up. And I pulled in and I said, Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:18

I bought ten boxes. The Girl Scouts are smart and very enterprising. The ones that I think have really figured this out are the ones that set up a table outside of Arrow Wine. Oh, yeah. I'm like, oh, you girls are gonna be successful one day. You're already successful, but you know, you know how to do this.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:41

And now people can order online and have their remote orders, so there's no if your grandparents live out of state, no. No excuse, no problem. No problem.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:48

We can solve that. I've already bought I think a hundred and some odd dollars worth of uh one uh uh juniper, and I told Lily today that because Lily was like, I got 150 more boxes we gotta sell. Lily's the uh cookie mom. She's the cookie mom. So her juniper was leaving to go set up. And I said, Well, I will buy whatever oh you leave it on. Yeah. Yeah, we're not off yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:13

Yeah, no, she's just getting the volume up a little high.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:16

Oh, okay. Uh I told them I told Lily, whatever's not sold, I'll buy them. Oh wow, donate them to the homeless shelter out there.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:26

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:26

Uh when uh when Lily was selling Girl Scout cookies, and I was a day municipal court judge, there was a it was called uh court detail, and all the officers who were subpoenaed in had to check in, you know, to make sure that they showed up.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:40

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:40

And we would set up all the cookies. Oh my gosh. So I feel very, you know, that that people were there for my daughter, so yeah, I've got to be there for them. And so even though I've got another 10 boxes in my car that Eddie's gonna have to bring in for me, if I drive by Legacy next week and that little girl is out there zone, I'll have more. Yep. So anybody that wants to leave tonight with the scout cookies to take back to the Anne Charles Watts experience, I can load you up.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:12

Well, Sabrina's sound. Sabrina's been selling.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:14

Okay, so you've got them already.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:16

Yeah, Sabrina's selling.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:17

If anybody wants any, I've got them.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:19

Dan, I will say that uh thanks to your reminder text uh yesterday that it was pie day yesterday, yeah. After Skyline Chili, me and I went over to Kroger and they sell these tiny pies. They're they're only $1.25, but they're just the right size. And for $1.25 pies, there is actually pretty good. For a dollar considering it's a dollar twenty five, yeah. We had an apple, we shared an apple and a blueberry.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:40

Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:42

Yeah, it was pie day.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:44

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:45

People don't know what that is, but it's 3.14.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:48

We had pizza pies tonight. Oh, which is a belated side. And we have pie pie. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:56

Uh anything else, Dea? Kate, anything?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:00

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:02

Eddie?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:04

Smoothies a lie, alcoholism is fine. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:09

Oh wow. Eddie's doing his homework for uh his electrical engineering degree. Uh and plus, you know, tomorrow we'll start watching Breaking Bad again. Tonight I'm gonna watch the Oscars, Eddie.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:22

I just want to say the 1946 Oscar winner we'll be re we will be reviewing is the best years of our lives.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:27

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:29

And uh Jim Rouget made the mistake of telling me he just recently watched it, so I'm gonna call him up. Good trip to that. That is a mistake, Jimmy. I wonder if we can get Ann to make her award-winning chicken and noodles. Potentially. Yeah, but would not be better than that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:46

Yeah, that sounds great.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:48

Okay, well, thanks for listening uh to this uh episode uh twenty-seven of uh dinner with Ann.